On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 09:42:38AM +0200, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> On 25 August 2016 at 22:46, Zach Brown <zach.br...@ni.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 07:28:55PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 01:26:22PM -0500, Zach Brown wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 07:10:00PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> >> > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:15:44PM -0500, Zach Brown wrote:
> >> > > > In cases where the card is non-removable then polling doesn't make 
> >> > > > sense.
> >> > >
> >> > > We have the non-removable property to describe that, so we can also 
> >> > > look at that.
> >> > >
> >> > > > So it doesn't make sense to tie the test mode workaround into the 
> >> > > > broken-cd
> >> > > > property, even though I agree the nature of the defect fits under 
> >> > > > the notion
> >> > > > of the CD being broken.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe not solely on broken-cd, but I think that we dont necessarily 
> >> > > need a new
> >> > > DT property. As above, broken-cd, non-removable, and the compatible 
> >> > > string may
> >> > > together give the kernel enough information to choose the right thing 
> >> > > to do.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Mark.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure if I understand your suggestion completely. Are you 
> >> > suggesting
> >> > setting both the broken-cd and non-removable properties? That would make 
> >> > sense,
> >> > but my understanding was that the two properities are not meant to 
> >> > co-exist. In
> >> > /Documentation/devicetree/bindings/mmc/mmc.txt it states that only one 
> >> > should
> >> > be supplied. Don't the two properties conflict with each other?
> >>
> >> They do for the cases that exist today, but given we're updating the 
> >> document
> >> anyway, we could simply clarify the cases in which the two can sanely 
> >> co-exist
> >> (e.g.  for this particular IP block).
> 
> No, please!
> 
> Depending on the SDHCI variant there is already some difference on how
> broken-cd is treated.
> 
> Let's not add yet another, as I think it will be too complicated for
> people to understand the bindings.
> 

Shawn Lin pointed out that there might be instances of the arasan controller 
that don't have the behavior the patch addresses. Having a new DT binding
specific for this case would avoid needing to maintain a list of controllers
that need the fix.  

> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mark.
> >
> > That makes sense. I'll change the documentation for broken-cd and 
> > non-removable
> > in the IP specific document and change the driver accordingly.
> 
> I rather have a new DT binding specific for this case.
> 
> Perhaps there's a better name than "fake-cd". How about "force-cd", or
> if someone can come up with a better name.
> 
> Kind regards
> Uffe

I've been trying to come up with a better name. Here are a few ideas
cd-not-wired
needs-test-cd
fails-without-force-cd

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