On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 06:43:07PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote: > On Wednesday 30 December 2020 18:13:15 Andrew Lunn wrote: > > Hi Pali > > > > I have to agree with Russell here. I would rather have no diagnostics > > than untrustable diagnostics. > > Ok! > > So should we completely skip hwmon_device_register_with_info() call > if (i2c_block_size < 2) ?
I don't think that alone is sufficient - there's also the matter of ethtool -m which will dump that information as well, and we don't want to offer it to userspace in an unreliable form. For reference, here is what SFF-8472 which defines the diagnostics, says about this: To guarantee coherency of the diagnostic monitoring data, the host is required to retrieve any multi-byte fields from the diagnostic monitoring data structure (IE: Rx Power MSB - byte 104 in A2h, Rx Power LSB - byte 105 in A2h) by the use of a single two-byte read sequence across the two-wire interface interface. The transceiver is required to ensure that any multi-byte fields which are updated with diagnostic monitoring data (e.g. Rx Power MSB - byte 104 in A2h, Rx Power LSB - byte 105 in A2h) must have this update done in a fashion which guarantees coherency and consistency of the data. In other words, the update of a multi-byte field by the transceiver must not occur such that a partially updated multi-byte field can be transferred to the host. Also, the transceiver shall not update a multi-byte field within the structure during the transfer of that multi-byte field to the host, such that partially updated data would be transferred to the host. The first paragraph is extremely definitive in how these fields shall be read atomically - by a _single_ two-byte read sequence. From what you are telling us, these modules do not support that. Therefore, by definition, they do *not* support proper and reliable reporting of diagnostic data, and are non-conformant with the SFP MSAs. So, they are basically broken, and the diagnostics can't be used to retrieve data that can be said to be useful. > I do not think that manufacture says something. I think that they even > do not know that their Realtek chips are completely broken. Oh, they do know. I had a response from CarlitoxxPro passed to me, which was: That is a behavior related on how your router/switch try to read the EEPROM, as described in the datasheet of the GPON ONU SFP, the EEPROM can be read in Sequential Single-Byte mode, not in Multi-byte mode as you router do, basically, your router is trying to read the full a0h table in a single call, and retrieve a null response. that is normal and not affect the operations of the GPON ONU SFP, because these values are informational only. so the Software for your router should be able to read in Single-Byte mode to read the content of the EEPROM in concordance to SFF-8431 which totally misses the point that it is /not/ up to the module to choose whether multi-byte reads are supported or not. If they bothered to gain a proper understanding of the MSAs, they would have noticed that the device on 0xA0 is required to behave as an Atmel AT24Cxx EEPROM. The following from INF-8074i, which is the very first definition of the SFP form factor modules: The SFP serial ID provides access to sophisticated identification information that describes the transceiver's capabilities, standard interfaces, manufacturer, and other information. The serial interface uses the 2-wire serial CMOS E2PROM protocol defined for the ATMEL AT24C01A/02/04 family of components. As they took less than one working day to provide the above response, I suspect they know full well that there's a problem - and it likely affects other "routers" as well. They're also confused about their SFF specifications. SFF-8431 is: "SFP+ 10 Gb/s and Low Speed Electrical Interface" which is not the correct specification for a 1Gbps module. > I can imagine that vendor just says: it is working in our branded boxes > with SFP cages and if it does not work in your kernel then problem is > with your custom kernel and we do not care about 3rd parties. Which shows why it's pointless producing an EEPROM validation tool that runs under Linux (as has been your suggestion). They won't use it, since their testing only goes as far as "does it work in our product?" -- RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/ FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!
