On Thu, Jan 08, 2026 at 01:19:26PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:29:47 +0000 > Lorenzo Stoakes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > But one thing I learned about my decade on the TAB, is don't worry about > > > things you are afraid might happen, just make sure you address what is > > > currently happening. Especially when it's easy to update the rules. > > > > I mean why are we even writing the document at all in that case :) why did > > this > > discussion come up at the maintainer's summit, etc. > > What happened that started this discussion was me reading about an AI patch > that was submitted and accepted without the maintainer knowing that the > patch was 100% created by AI. That maintainer just happened to be me! I > made a stink about not disclosing the fact that the patch was generated by > AI. I wanted full transparency. > > A long discussion started there where we noticed that we have no written > policy on transparency of tooling used to create patches and wanted to fix > that. That was the reason this all started, but it expanded to "Oh we need > to document our policy on AI too". That was an after thought. > > See why I'm still pushing to only document what our current policy is.
Hm, not sure I can square that with 'these rules already existed'. Were they unwritten rules...? I mean from my + outside world's perspective it kicked off from Sasha sending the patch adding config files for LLM tooling, then the MS thread(s), then this thread. Though obviously you mentioned that occasion there. > > > > > I think it's sensible to establish a clear policy on how we deal with this > > _ahead of time_. > > Why? We don't know what is going to happen. We are only assuming things are > going to be a problem, where it may never be. I mean google 'AI slop'. If you think the kernel is mysteriously immune to it I'd be curious as to the justification. As a maintainer I find it mildly irritating that you'd be so resistant to very small changes to the document to put a little more emphasis on this and instead ask me to wait until I'm overwhelmed. It's not really a huge ask. > > > > > And as I said to Linus (and previously in discussions on this) I fear the > > press reporting 'linux kernel welcomes AI submissions, sees it like any > > other tool'. > > But this document doesn't even say that. It's only expressing in writing > what our policy is on transparency of using tooling where AI is just one > more tool. AI submissions have already been done. It's only accepted after > the normal process is followed. Honestly you really think that people are looking at this as a general 'tools' thing and not about AI? Really? I mean have you _read_ kernel reporting lately, especially the more tabloid clickbaity stuff? > > -- Steve Honestly this is all moot as Linus has made his position clear. But I wanted to be heard. Thanks, Lorenzo
