On Thu, Jan 08, 2026 at 05:34:34PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Le Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 09:22:19AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers a écrit :
> > On 2025-12-18 19:43, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 12:35:18PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > Could you utilize this[1] to see a
> > > > > comparison of the reader-side performance against RCU/SRCU?
> > > >
> > > > Good point ! Let's see.
> > > >
> > > > On a AMD 2x EPYC 9654 96-Core Processor with 192 cores,
> > > > hyperthreading disabled,
> > > > CONFIG_PREEMPT=y,
> > > > CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU=y,
> > > > CONFIG_PREEMPT_HAZPTR=y.
> > > >
> > > > scale_type ns
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > hazptr-smp-mb 13.1 <- this implementation
> > > > hazptr-barrier 11.5 <- replace smp_mb() on acquire with
> > > > barrier(), requires IPIs on synchronize.
> > > > hazptr-smp-mb-hlist 12.7 <- replace per-task hp context and
> > > > per-cpu overflow lists by hlist.
> > > > rcu 17.0
> > >
> > > Hmm.. now looking back, how is it possible that hazptr is faster than
> > > RCU on the reader-side? Because a grace period was happening and
> > > triggered rcu_read_unlock_special()? This is actualy more interesting.
> > So I could be entirely misreading the code, but, we have:
> >
> > rcu_flavor_sched_clock_irq():
> > [...]
> > /* If GP is oldish, ask for help from rcu_read_unlock_special(). */
> > if (rcu_preempt_depth() > 0 &&
> > __this_cpu_read(rcu_data.core_needs_qs) &&
> > __this_cpu_read(rcu_data.cpu_no_qs.b.norm) &&
> > !t->rcu_read_unlock_special.b.need_qs &&
> > time_after(jiffies, rcu_state.gp_start + HZ))
> > t->rcu_read_unlock_special.b.need_qs = true;
> >
> > which means we set need_qs = true as a result from observing
> > cpu_no_qs.b.norm == true.
> >
> > This is sufficient to trigger calls (plural) to rcu_read_unlock_special()
> > from __rcu_read_unlock.
> >
> > But then if we look at rcu_preempt_deferred_qs_irqrestore()
> > which we would expect to clear the rcu_read_unlock_special.b.need_qs
> > state, we have this:
> >
> > special = t->rcu_read_unlock_special;
> > if (!special.s && !rdp->cpu_no_qs.b.exp) {
> > local_irq_restore(flags);
> > return;
> > }
> > t->rcu_read_unlock_special.s = 0;
> >
> > which skips over clearing the state unless there is an expedited
> > grace period required.
> >
> > So unless I'm missing something, we should _also_ clear that state
> > when it's invoked after rcu_flavor_sched_clock_irq, so the next
> > __rcu_read_unlock won't all call into rcu_read_unlock_special().
> >
> > I'm adding a big warning about sleep deprivation and possibly
> > misunderstanding the whole thing. What am I missing ?
>
> As far as I can tell, this skips clearing the state if the state is
> already cleared. Or am I even more sleep deprived than you? :o)
Get some sleep! A good night's sleep is one of the best debugging aids
available, even in this brave new world of LLMs. ;-)
Thanx, Paul
