Linux-Misc Digest #666, Volume #18 Sun, 17 Jan 99 16:13:09 EST
Contents:
Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 6 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can this modem be driven with Linux? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Problems running SuSE 5.3 with loadlin ... ("LAMY")
Re: securing a linux box (zentara)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Toon Moene)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (brian moore)
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Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers
Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 6 of 6)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:05:11 GMT
Feedback is invited.")
11.1 fdisk says cannot use nnn sectors of this partition.
Originally Linux only supported the Minix file system, which cannot
use more than 64Mb per partition. This limitation is not present in
the more advanced file systems that are now available, such as ext2fs
(the 2nd version of the Extended File System, the `standard' Linux
file system).
If you intend to use ext2fs you can ignore the message.
11.2 GCC sometimes uses huge amounts of virtual memory and thrashes.
Older versions of GCC had a bug which made them use lots of memory if
you tried to compile a program which had a large static data table in
it.
You can either upgrade your version of GCC, or add more swap space if
necessary, or just wait for the program to finish compiling.
12. How to get further assistance.
12.1 You still haven't answered my question!
Please read all of this answer before posting. I know it's a bit long,
but you may be about to make a fool of yourself in front of 50,000
people and waste hundreds of hours of their time. Don't you think it's
worth spending some of your time to read and follow these
instructions?
If you think an answer is incomplete or inaccurate, please e-mail
Robert Kiesling at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Read the appropriate Linux Documentation Project books--see "
Where can I get the HOWTO's and other documentation?"
If you're a Unix or Linux newbie, read the FAQ for
comp.unix.questions, and those for any of the other comp.unix.* groups
that may be relevant.
Linux has so much in common with commercial unices, that almost
everything you read there will apply to Linux. The FAQs, like all
FAQs, be found on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers (the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] can send you these files, if you don't
have FTP access). There are mirrors of rtfm's FAQ archives on various
sites--check the Introduction to *.answers posting, posted, or look in
news-answers/introduction in the directory above.
Check the relevant HOWTO for the subject in question, if there is one,
or an appropriate old style sub-FAQ document. Check the FTP sites.
Try experimenting--that's the best way to get to know Unix and Linux.
Read the documentation. Check the manual pages (type "man man" if
you don't know about manual pages. Try "man -k subject"--it often
lists useful and relevant manual pages.
Check the Info documentation (type C-h i, i.e. Control H followed by I
in Emacs). This isn't just for Emacs. For example, the GCC
documentation lives here as well.
There will also often be a README file with a package that gives
installation and/or usage instructions.
Make sure you don't have a corrupted or out-of-date copy of the
program in question. If possible, download it again and re-install
it--you probably made a mistake the first time.
Read comp.os.linux.announce--this often contains very important
information for all Linux users.
General X Window System questions belong in comp.windows.x.i386unix,
not in comp.os.linux.x. But read the group first (including the FAQ),
before you post.
Only if you have done all of these things and are still stuck, should
you post to the appropriate comp.os.linux.* newsgroup. Make sure you
read the next question first. "( What to put in a request for
help.)"
12.2 What to put in a request for help.
Please read the following advice carefully about how to write your
posting or email. Making a complete posting will greatly increase the
chances that an expert or fellow user reading it will have enough
information and motivation to reply.
This advice applies both to postings asking for advice and to personal
email sent to experts and fellow users.
Make sure you give full details of the problem, including:
* What program, exactly, you are having problems with. Include the
version number if known and say where you got it. Many standard
commands tell you their version number if you give them a
--version option.
* Which Linux release you're using (Red Hat, Slackware, Debian, or
whatever) and what version of that release.
* The exact and complete text of any error messages printed.
* Exactly what behavior you expected, and exactly what behavior you
observed. A transcript of an example session is a good way to show
this.
* The contents of any configuration files used by the program in
question and any related programs.
* What version of the kernel and shared libraries you have
installed. The kernel version can be found by typing uname -a, and
the shared library version by typing ls -l /lib/libc.so.4.
* Details of what hardware you're running on, if it seems
appropriate.
You are in little danger of making your posting too long unless you
include large chunks of source code or uuencoded files, so err on the
side of giving too much information.
Use a clear, detailed Subject line. Don't put things like `doesn't
work', `Linux', `help', or `question' in it--we already know that.
Save the space for the name of the program, a fragment of an error
message, or summary of the unusual behavior.
If you report an `unable to handle kernel paging request' message,
follow the instructions in the Linux kernel sources README file for
turning the numbers into something more meaningful. If you don't do
this, no one who reads your post will be able to do it for you. The
mapping from numbers to function names varies from one kernel to
another.
Put a summary paragraph at the top of your posting.
At the bottom of your posting, ask for responses by email and say
you'll post a summary. Back this up by using Followup-To: poster.
Then, actually post the summary in a few days or a week or so. Don't
just concatenate the replies you got--summarize. Putting the word
SUMMARY in your summary's Subject line is also a good idea. Consider
submitting the summary to comp.os.linux.announce.
Make sure your posting doesn't have an inappropriate References:
header line. This marks your article as part of the thread of the
article referred to, which will often cause it to be junked by
readers, along with the rest of a boring thread.
You might like to say in your posting that you've read this FAQ and
the appropriate HOWTO's--this may make people less likely to skip your
posting.
Remember that you should not post email sent to you personally without
the sender's permission.
12.3 I want to mail someone about my problem.
Try to find the author or developer of whatever program or component
is causing you difficulty. If you have a contact point for your Linux
distribution, you should use it.
Please put everything in your e-mail message that you would put in a
posting asking for help.
Finally, remember that, despite the fact that most of the Linux
community are very helpful and responsive to e-mailed questions,
you're asking for help from unpaid volunteers, so you have no right to
expect an answer.
13. Administrative information and acknowledgments.
13.1 Feedback is invited.
Please send me your comments on this FAQ.
I accept contributions to the FAQ in any format. All contributions,
comments, and corrections are gratefully received. Please send e-mail
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you wish to refer to a question in the FAQ, it's better for me if
you do so by the question heading, rather than number. The question
numbers are generated automatically, and I don't see them in the
source file I edit.
I prefer comments in English to patch files--context diff is not my
first language.
13.2 Formats in which this FAQ is available.
This document is available as an ASCII text file, an HTML World Wide
Web page, Postscript, and as a USENET news posting.
All of these formats are generated from SGML source using SGML Tools
and the LinuxDoc DTD.
The HTML version of this FAQ is available as
http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/ at other sites.
The Usenet version is posted regularly to news.answers, comp.answers,
comp.os.linux.misc, and comp.os.linux.announce. It is archived at
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/os/linux/misc/.
The most recent text, HTML, SGML, and Postscript versions are
available from the Linux archives at sunsite.unc.edu, and from
http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/
13.3 Authorship and acknowledgments.
This FAQ is compiled and maintained by Robert Kiesling
[EMAIL PROTECTED], with assistance and comments from Linux
activists all over the world.
Special thanks are due to Matt Welsh, who moderated
comp.os.linux.announce and comp.os.linux.answers, coordinated the
HOWTO's and wrote substantial portions of many of them, Greg Hankins
and Timothy Bynum, the former and current Linux Documentation Project
HOWTO maintainers, Lars Wirzenius and Mikko Rauhala, the former and
current moderators of comp.os.linux.announce, Marc-Michel Corsini, who
wrote the original Linux FAQ, and Ian Jackson, the previous FAQ
maintainer. Thanks also to Roman Maurer for his many updates and
additions, especially with European Web sites, translations, and
general miscellany.
Last but not least, thanks to Linus Torvalds and the other
contributors to Linux for giving us something to talk about!
13.4 Disclaimer and Copyright.
Note that this document is provided `as is'. The information in it is
not warranted to be correct. Use it at your own risk.
Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers is Copyright (c) 1997,
1998 by Robert Kiesling [EMAIL PROTECTED], under the
copyright of the Linux Documentation Project. The full text of the LDP
copyright is available via anonymous FTP from sunsite.unc.edu, in the
directory /pub/Linux/docs/LDP, and is included below.
Portions are Copyright (c) 1994, 1995, 1996 by Ian Jackson, the
previous Linux FAQ maintainer.
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14. Administrative information and acknowledgments.
14.1 Feedback is invited.
Please send me your comments on this FAQ.
I accept contributions to the FAQ in any format. All contributions,
comments, and corrections are gratefully received. Please send e-mail
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If you wish to refer to a question in the FAQ, it's better for me if
you do so by the question heading, rather than number. The question
numbers are generated automatically, and I don't see them in the
source file I edit.
I prefer comments in English to patch files--context diff is not my
first language.
14.2 Formats in which this FAQ is available.
This document is available as an ASCII text file, an HTML World Wide
Web page, Postscript, and as a USENET news posting.
All of these formats are generated from SGML source using SGML Tools
and the LinuxDoc DTD.
The HTML version of this FAQ is available as
http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/ at other sites.
The Usenet version is posted regularly to news.answers, comp.answers,
comp.os.linux.misc, and comp.os.linux.announce. It is archived at
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/os/linux/misc/.
The most recent text, HTML, SGML, and Postscript versions are
available from the Linux archives at sunsite.unc.edu, and from
http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/
14.3 Authorship and acknowledgments.
This FAQ is compiled and maintained by Robert Kiesling
[EMAIL PROTECTED], with assistance and comments from Linux
activists all over the world.
Special thanks are due to Matt Welsh, who moderated
comp.os.linux.announce and comp.os.linux.answers, coordinated the
HOWTO's and wrote substantial portions of many of them, Greg Hankins
and Timothy Bynum, the former and current Linux Documentation Project
HOWTO maintainers, Lars Wirzenius and Mikko Rauhala, the former and
current moderators of comp.os.linux.announce, Marc-Michel Corsini, who
wrote the original Linux FAQ, and Ian Jackson, the previous FAQ
maintainer. Thanks also to Roman Maurer for his many updates and
additions, especially with European Web sites, translations, and
general miscellany.
Last but not least, thanks to Linus Torvalds and the other
contributors to Linux for giving us something to talk about!
14.4 Disclaimer and Copyright.
Note that this document is provided `as is'. The information in it is
not warranted to be correct. Use it at your own risk.
Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers is Copyright (c) 1997,
1998 by Robert Kiesling [EMAIL PROTECTED], under the
copyright of the Linux Documentation Project. The full text of the LDP
copyright is available via anonymous FTP from sunsite.unc.edu, in the
directory /pub/Linux/docs/LDP, and is included below.
Portions are Copyright (c) 1994, 1995, 1996 by Ian Jackson, the
previous Linux FAQ maintainer.
Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers may be reproduced and
distributed in its entirety (including this authorship, copyright, and
permission notice), provided that no charge is made for the document
itself, without the author's consent. This includes "fair use"
excerpts like reviews and advertising, and derivative works like
translations.
Note that this restriction is not intended to prohibit charging for
the service of printing or copying the document.
Exceptions to these rules may be granted. I would be happy to answer
any questions regarding this copyright. E-mail me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] As the license below says, these
restrictions are here to protect the contributors, not to restrict you
as educators and learners.
LINUX DOCUMENTATION PROJECT COPYING LICENSE
Last modified 6 January 1997
The following copyright license applies to all works by the Linux
Documentation Project.
Please read the license carefully---it is somewhat like the GNU
General Public License, but there are several conditions in it that
differ from what you may be used to. If you have any questions, please
email the LDP coordinator, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Linux Documentation Project manuals may be reproduced and
distributed in whole or in part, subject to the following conditions:
All Linux Documentation Project manuals are copyrighted by their
respective authors. THEY ARE NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
* The copyright notice above and this permission notice must be
preserved complete on all complete or partial copies.
* Any translation or derivative work of Linux Installation and
Getting Started must be approved by the author in writing before
distribution.
* If you distribute Linux Installation and Getting Started in part,
instructions for obtaining the complete version of this manual
must be included, and a means for obtaining a complete version
provided.
* Small portions may be reproduced as illustrations for reviews or
quotes in other works without this permission notice if proper
citation is given.
* The GNU General Public License referenced below may be reproduced
under the conditions given within it.
Exceptions to these rules may be granted for academic purposes: Write
to the author and ask. These restrictions are here to protect us as
authors, not to restrict you as educators and learners. All source
code in Linux Installation and Getting Started is placed under the GNU
General Public License, available via anonymous FTP from the GNU
archive site.
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If you're a publishing company interested in distributing any of the
LDP manuals, read on.
By the license given in the previous section, anyone is allowed to
publish and distribute verbatim copies of the Linux Documentation
Project manuals. You don't need our explicit permission for this.
However, if you would like to distribute a translation or derivative
work based on any of the LDP manuals, you must obtain permission from
the author, in writing, before doing so.
All translations and derivative works of LDP manuals must be placed
under the Linux Documentation License given in the previous section.
That is, if you plan to release a translation of one of the manuals,
it must be freely distributable by the above terms.
You may, of course, sell the LDP manuals for profit. We encourage you
to do so. Keep in mind, however, that because the LDP manuals are
freely distributable, anyone may photocopy or distribute printed
copies free of charge, if they wish to do so.
We do not require to be paid royalties for any profit earned from
selling LDP manuals. However, we would like to suggest that if you do
sell LDP manuals for profit, that you either offer the author
royalties, or donate a portion of your earnings to the author, the LDP
as a whole, or to the Linux development community. You may also wish
to send one or more free copies of the LDP manual that you are
distributing to the author. Your show of support for the LDP and the
Linux community will be very appreciated.
We would like to be informed of any plans to publish or distribute LDP
manuals, just so we know how they're becoming available. If you are
publishing or planning to publish any LDP manuals, please send email
to Matt Welsh (email [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
We encourage Linux software distributors to distribute the LDP manuals
(such as the Installation and Getting Started Guide) with their
software. The LDP manuals are intended to be used as the "official"
Linux documentation, and we'd like to see mail-order distributors
bundling the LDP manuals with the software. As the LDP manuals mature,
hopefully they will fulfill this goal more adequately.
Matt Welsh, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Robert Kiesling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can this modem be driven with Linux?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:15:03 -0600
David Jones wrote:
> Linux virgin here again! :-)
>
> I forgot to ask: will a US Robotics 56K Professional Message Modem work
> with Red Hat Linux?
>
> (I should hope so, given the price! ;-) )
Check the hardware support page at your favorite Linux distribution's Web
site.
BTW, the price doesn't have anything to do with it. What matters is (a)
whether the hardware manufacturer has released enough information to make
it possible to write a driver for it, and (b) whether anyone has been
motivated to actually do so. (Notice also that the price goes to the
manufacturer rather than to the OSS crowd.)
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "LAMY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems running SuSE 5.3 with loadlin ...
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:55:11 +0100
Hi !
Everytime I shut down Win98 with >Starting in MS-DOS mode" the kernel 2.0.35
failed to detect my PCI Network-Adapter...
Running linux from Windows - Prompt (not Win-Box) is great.
Can you help me to fix this problem ....
Thanx in advance
LAMY
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Re: securing a linux box
Reply-To: ""
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:06:25 GMT
On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:13:13 -0500, Yan Seiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What are some good references for securing a linux server from attacks
>via the internet?
>
>I want to block all ports except 22 and 80 on my internet interface, but
>want to keep my ability to telnet from the LAN.
>
Try this url:
http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~grapeape/security.html
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From: Toon Moene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:44:43 +0100
Jim Frost wrote:
> (*) The only two things that I find to be relatively poor about their installer
> is that it provides no defaults for disk partitions (you have to create/edit
> them yourself every time, which is a bit tedious, and new users have no idea
> what it's talking about) and it could do a better job at figuring out what kind
> of hardware you have.
No defaults for disk partitions ? Hello - have you tried Red Hat 5.2 -
it has the benevolent option to partition all of your hard drive(s) [
"Server Install" ] without asking a question.
As a side benefit, it erases that "other operating system" from your
hard drive - for free.
--
Toon Moene ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286
g77 Support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; egcs: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 17 Jan 1999 20:49:48 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:25:40 GMT,
Bitbucket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can stand on a street corner and give away shit in a brown bag all
> day. Your percentage of return customers will decline rapidly.
> I for one cannot fault MS on their marketing machine. It is a wonder
> to behold. But if their products were as bad as COLA poster's claim,
> MS would be no better off than the brown bag seller on the street.
Unless: the brown bag seller managed to pawn off a few hundred bags a
day before people wised up and then made deals with the businesses to
buy his brown bags o' poop for their customers in bulk as bag
stuffers. He could point to his first couple of weeks of sales and
show that there was demand for his by-products and the businesses
would agree, and would gladly purchase poop to put into their customers
bags to meet some perceived need.
> The University Hospital center in my town has Windows 95 -8 -NT PC's
> in practically every dept of the hospital. I'm talking several 100
> PC's that have a variety of uses. If these PC's crashed three or four
> times a day the administration of the infrastructure would come to a
> grinding halt. They don't, it doesn't. It would not be allowed to
> happen. Granted they run custom applications in many scenarios and
> nothing else. But the PC's also run Outlook for messaging on exchange
> servers. They don't crash three or four times a day. Period.
Probably the vast majority of the time they are idle. The 100 or so
Windows machines we have at work crash so often that it's taken as
normal by their users who don't believe my uptimes. (And don't
understand me when I whine about a silly Solaris bug that would crash
the system after 270 days: they couldn't conceive of a 9-month uptime,
while for me the fact that it couldn't exceed that without a patch was a
serious bug.)
> Marketing yes, it has played a huge role in MS's success.
> But if the products were as bad as portrayed in here this marketing
> would not allow MS the sustained penetration, new markets, and staying
> power that they now hold in many small, medium, and coming soon,,
> larger business's.
Marketing and preinstallations. It is still difficult to find a
computer without Windows on it unless you go out of your way. You can't
ask to have it removed to save the $89, either, from most retailers.
This has changed somewhat since the DOJ case started, but it still has a
long way to go. (Linux should be an option on -every- system, not just
'server' systems.)
> I'm not trying to say that Linux couldn't do the
> same thing, possibly even better. But it won't in it's current state.
> Companies need standardization and support contracts. Even if it is
> somewhat of a ripoff. Linux right now has neither, and as long as the
> desktops, community colleges and training centers educate on MS
> offerings this is not going to change real soon.
Linux has standardization (much more so than NT: ever hear of POSIX?)
and Redhat and others will gladly sell you a support contract for far
less than the equivalent from MS and with far better support than the
usual MS ("reboot, reinstall, upgrade") so-called support. (Ever tried
using MS's support? A joke.)
Of course, Usenet support is superior: I've requested changes in code
and seen a new release out within 20 minutes of my request. That was
a request made at 10pm on a Saturday night while I was hacking some
code and thought "it would be nice if I could..." You won't find that
support for Microsoft products.
It's not quite time to take over the desktop: but that time will come,
thanks to projects like GNOME and even things like the release of WP for
Linux.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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