Linux-Misc Digest #905, Volume #18 Thu, 4 Feb 99 23:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Q: How do I stop a 4:02 AM scheduled mystery process? (Dave Peticolas)
mod_php3 & OpenLink ODBC ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ROOT DIR ????? COLORs ? (iNoDE)
Re: _____FAQ list for this newsgroup_____ 5482 (Vito
DeFilippo)
mod_php3 and openlink ODBC ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
KERNEL QUESTION (Sanjiv R. Prithviraj)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Colin Day)
Re: Undelete for Linux...? (Rick Walker)
Re: > 64MB RAM (Richard Steiner)
Re: Microsoft - Embrace, encompass, and defeat??? (Richard Steiner)
K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug? ("Javier Pulido")
Proposal for an Open Source Robot AI Operating System (Arthur T. Murray)
Re: Undelete for Linux...? ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Quicken-Like App? ("Robert C. Paulsen, Jr.")
Re: [Q] "Unable to load interpreter" message. ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Linux Newbie (J.M. Paden)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:05:37 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:11:51 -0600...
..and Paul Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> it has become the fashion to
> snub our authority figures. This would be analogous to other countries
> poking fun at the USA
[...]
Perhaps it's your opinion that the USA are the equivalent of an
`authority figure' among the nations on this planet; but stating this
as if it were a fact is plain insulting, at least to me, but to many
others too, I'm sure.
mawa
--
The Bundeswehr? I don't have any problems with the Bundeswehr. After
all, what possible harm could an army do where soldiers don't need to
have their hair cut and where they play _Sailing_ for the Grand Tattoo?
-- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Peticolas)
Subject: Re: Q: How do I stop a 4:02 AM scheduled mystery process?
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 01:46:11 GMT
On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:49:09 GMT, Kurt Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>My questions are:
>
>
>1. How can I track down which script, process,
>or daemon is spawning this process at 4:02 AM?? I checked
>the spool/cron/ directory and it's empty. My only other guess
>is that it's a daemon.
Check your /etc/crontab file to see what's being run at 4:02AM.
It's probably logrotate or updatedb or some such default RH5.2
daily script.
>
>2. Given just an inode number for a file or directory,
>how can I get the pathname of the file or directory?
(as root)
/sbin/debugfs /dev/xxx
where xxx is the device name of the file system you want
to check the inode for.
Then, at the debugfs: prompt type:
ncheck yyy
where yyy is the inode number you want to look at.
>I suspected the named daemon was somehow involved so
>I removed and killed a some unused dameons out of my
>/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ directory, but I hope someone can answer
>the two questions above.
>
It seems to me more likely to be the result of a cron job.
Those daily scripts shouldn't be hosing your filesystem,
unless it's already hosed! You should reboot your system
and force a file system check:
shutdown -r -F
--
Dave Peticolas - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: mod_php3 & OpenLink ODBC
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:48:50 GMT
I installed the ODBC driver from Openlink and re-compiled mod_php3 with the
--with-openlink=/usr/local/openlink option. mod_php3.spec compiles with no
errors but when I go to install the new rpm, I get a "failed dependency:
libiodbc.so.2 is needed by mod_php3-3.0.5-2"
The libiodbc.so.2 is in the /usr/local/openlink/lib directory along with some
other libraries.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks for your help!!!
System Info: RedHat 5.2, Apache 1.3.3, Openlink ODBC Driver
Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gabriel Velasquez
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From: iNoDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ROOT DIR ????? COLORs ?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:12:21 +0000
Morten Andersen wrote:
>
> How do u configure Linux REDHAT 5.2 so i make colors when u type "dir" ..
> fx. so all executeable filez are Green......
>
> PLEASE HELP ...........
Mini-HOWTO about it @linux.org
--
o My Computer talkz about Linux: "BriNg iT On!!!"
o After the fact: "I'm a LeAn and mEAn Linux machine!"
o Chickz dig Linux...
o Linux... for IQ's GREATER than 98
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From: Vito DeFilippo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: _____FAQ list for this newsgroup_____ 5482
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:12:34 -0500
Don't click. It's a porn site.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: mod_php3 and openlink ODBC
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:40:12 GMT
I installed the ODBC driver from Openlink and re-compiled mod_php3 with the
--with-openlink=/usr/local/openlink option. mod_php3.spec compiles with no
errors but when I go to install the new rpm, I get a "failed dependency:
libiodbc.so.2 is needed by mod_php3-3.0.5-2"
The libiodbc.so.2 is in the /usr/local/openlink/lib directory along with some
other libraries.
What am I doing wrong?
System info: RedHat 5.2, Apache 1.3.3, Openlink Client ODBC Drivers.
Thanks for your help!!!
Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gabriel Velasquez
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From: Sanjiv R. Prithviraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KERNEL QUESTION
Date: 5 Feb 1999 01:25:31 GMT
I need some info about modifying the inode structure.
I would like to add a new field(string) to the inode struct.
I would like to know how to allocate memory and copy a string
to that location.
I would appreciate if someone can reply soon.
Thank you.
Sanjiv
_______________________________________________________________________
SANJIV PRITHVIRAJ
2105G Woodmar Dr
Houghton,MI- 49931
Tel : (906) 487-4205
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:40:49 +0000
Jim Ross wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <799v94$ldo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I'm not going to get to crazy on this, but yes you are right "Linux is not
> >even in Windows 9X's class", it far out performs Windows on every level and
> >should not even be used in the same sentence.
>
> You forgot to say "just kidding." Linux device support is not in Windows
> 9X's class. Nor is apps support for X. Not specifically a "Linux problem",
> but nonetheless not yet in Windows class. Ease of use, nope. Linux is not
> yet spoonfeeding as is Windows. Being powerful is ok, but just as important
> to most is ease of use. I can appreciate choice and a good GUI and GUI apps
> help me there. PPP works in Windows, in Linux for me it does not. Maybe I
> could do even more to fix it, but the need is why Linux is not ready. I do
> not want to have to troubleshoot it. I shouldn't have to.
> Jim
OK PPP was easier for me to set up in Windows 95 than in Linux. Of course,
I had four or five ISP's include their setup programs on Windows 95, so it's
not the fairest comparison. Did you have to type in scripts for PPP in
Windows, or were the programs included?
Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Walker)
Subject: Re: Undelete for Linux...?
Date: 5 Feb 1999 02:31:12 GMT
Frans Gumpu Slothouber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Joerg Klaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : Does somwhere a kind of "undelete"-Utility exist for Linux ?
: : (e.g. undeleting files that have been accidently removed by "rm")
If you are trying to fix something already done, then you'll need to
look at the undelete howto and mess around with the bits in the filesystem.
Good luck.
If you are being pro-active and are looking for an rm(1) replacement,
then I have one to offer you. Attached is a man page for nrm(1), a
recoverable rm replacement that I wrote and which has been in use for
about 10 years at Hewlett-Packard Labs on our department cluster of
about 25 HPUX workstations.
The basic idea is to put the "deleted" file into a hidden subdirectory
(./.gone/filename) so that it stays near its original location in the
filesystem. This avoids the problem of having multiple files of the
same name colliding in a global "~/.trashcan" directory. It also makes
it easy to clean up all deleted files in just a subsection of the
filetree.
Nrm also supports time-stamped save files, using a hashing technique to
maintain speed, and is handy for keeping check-point copies of
engineering databases or critical documents. We have some of our CAD
tools configured to nrm(1) the existing database before saving a new
version. It's nice to be able to back out any change made over the last
3 days.
A simple cron job removes deleted files older than 3 days (a configurable
number), and will also remove empty .gone directories.
Nrm comes with a script replacements for cp(1) and mv(1) which
protect from overwriting a target file.
A large amount of effort went into making nrm(1) duplicate rm(1)'s error
return codes, error messages, etc., under all the wierd corner cases of
deleting sym-links, dev-files. This is to allow nrm(1) to be seamlessly
substituted for rm(1) in legacy scripts.
I'm willing to release the source under GPL (it compiles out-of-the-box
under Linux), but just haven't gotten around to packaging it up yet.
The command line options have been rewritten to make it compatible with
the GNU version of rm(1).
This program is the first line of defense allowing most non-super users
to recover from simple errors without having to bother our back-up guru
for a tape restore. I still would recommend behaving as if your rm(1)
were a loaded gun, but if you still fumble it, then nrm(1) will make the
reconstruction a lot easier.
Until I can get some time to "productize" this thing, I'd be happy to
release a sharfile to interested parties by email. Anyone want to
beta test the linux version? I've been using it at home bug-free through
5 different revs of the kernel over the last two years.
Best regards,
--
Rick Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
======================= cut here =======================================
NRM(1:LOCAL) NRM(1:LOCAL)
NAME
nrm, urm - recoverably remove and restore files
SYNOPSIS
nrm [ -f ] [ -i ] [ -r ] [ -s ] [ -t gracetime ] file ...
urm [ -f ] file ...
DESCRIPTION
Nrm is a local replacement for rm(1). Files of name
"dirpath/basename" are recursively moved to "dirpath/.gone/basename"
rendering them normally invisible except by ls -a. Such files are
also implicitly marked for future deletion by updating their access
time.
No error messages are printed when the -f option is given or if the
standard input is not a terminal.
If a designated file is a directory, an error comment is printed
unless the optional argument -r has been used. In that case, nrm
renames the directory, making it invisible and subject to future
deletion.
If the -i (interactive) option is in effect, nrm asks whether to move
each file and, under -r, whether to rename each directory.
Files are kept a default of 3 days before permanent deletion. If the
[-t gracetime] option is given then the file will not be permanently
deleted for at least gracetime days, unless the file is accessed
during that time. Reading an nrm'd file will update its access time,
thereby resetting its scheduled deletion date to be the default number
of days (3) in the future.
If the -s (sequenced backup) option is given, nrm will not overwrite
saved entries in the "/.gone" directory, but instead will save each
file with a unique suffix such that every deleted file is preserved
for the full gracetime number of days.
On long-filename systems, the suffix is of the form: "-YEAR-MONTH-
DAY-HOUR:MIN:SEC", where each named field is 2 characters long: eg.,
"foo-93-05-09-21:32:17". If two files of the same name are deleted
within the same second (thereby potentially mapping to the same name),
the conflict is avoided by adding a random string to the conflicting
name. The disambiguating string is of the form: "%xx" where "x" is
randomly chosen from the set "[0-9A-Za-z]". Eg., "foo-93-05-09-
21:32:17%fQ".
On short-filename systems (limited to filenames of 14 characters), the
name of the deleted file is constructed by truncating the original
name to 11 characters, and appending a random suffix of the form
"%xx", as described above. Deleting the file "ThisIsALongFilename",
with -s sequencing, could create the deleted file "ThisIsALong%8c".
Urm is used to restore deleted files or directories. Given
"dirpath/basename" or "dirpath/.gone/basename" as an argument urm will
search for "dirpath/.gone/basename" and restore the file or directory
if found. The second form allows the user to give a command of the
form "urm foo/bar/.gone/*" and have the shell do wild-card expansion.
The modification time of restored files is preserved.
Urm will ask before overwriting an existing file unless the -f option
is in effect.
FEATURES
Nrm does not use system(2) or exec(2) so is significantly faster than
similiar script-based implementations.
When updating system executable files, using nrm to remove the old
file will prevent causing a "killed on text modification" swap error.
The removed version will be permanently deleted gracetime days after
the last process has ceased to swap to the removed file.
This renaming strategy was used to give a good summary when using
du(1) to evaluate freed-up disk space.
ADMINISTRATION
A line like the following should be added to root's crontab:
30 1 * * * /etc/nrm.cleanup
The nrm.cleanup script permanently removes all empty directories and
expired files.
SEE ALSO
rm(1) unlink(2).
DIAGNOSTICS
Generally self-explanatory. An attempt was made to provide the same
exit codes and user interface as rm. Returns 0 if successful, 2 on
errors. It is forbidden to remove the file "..", the file "." and the
files ".gone/*". The -t option does not work on symbolic links.
AUTHOR
Rick Walker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: > 64MB RAM
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:42:29 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
> As it stands right now (Gnome shows promise, but is still a long way
>off), KDE is the only window manager that would be REMOTELY feasible to
>deploy in the workplace for use by non-computer-scientists, without
>requiring extensive and expensive traning.
Have you considered AfterStep? It isn't particularly complicated to
use. Or mlvwm (roughly based on the Mac finder)? Or even (I shudder
to say this because I don't like it all that much) CDE?
Those are fine to use. Even things like fvwm95 (which is very close to
Windows 95 on a superficial level) might suffice.
> The point that I was making, and the question that I was asking... is
>ineffiency and bloat an UNAVOIDABLE trade-off for user-friendliness, or is
>there a better way out there? (if so, will anyone ever get around to
>persuing it?!? <smile>)
No, one way to obtain beginner-friendliness and not have bloat would be
to remove features. Something I as an advanced user would not want to
see happen, at least in the OS I use. :-)
It's generally more flexible (and a lot less top-heavy) to use text
config files and efficient-but-beginner-unfriendly user interfaces.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Will it help if I hold my breath and turn blue?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - Embrace, encompass, and defeat???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:49:46 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "Barry Unruh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>What would happen if all the Linux people started sending demands to
>their congressional representatives demanding that Microsoft port
>Internet Explorer, Office 97 and 2000 over to Linux?
I'd rather see the tech specs for their file formats made available so
others could write effective import/export filters without paying huge
licensing fees.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Define Life: Mail. Not!
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From: "Javier Pulido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:12:17 -0000
ĦĦSOS!!
Problems with the booting of linux in a computer AMD K6-2 (300 MHz) with
i430TX (no AGP) and 128 MB, two hard drives and 1 CDROM. Can you help me?
After many attempts of booting with several kernels (2.0.29, 2.0.30, 2.1.48,
2.0.35, 2.0.36) through a boot-disk, LILO or LOADLIN (Symbol of System,
option F8 of Windows95), I realize only procedure that was operating:
1. I Start Windows95/98 (graphic environment)
2. I restart in MSDOS-Mode
3. C:> loadlin zImage2_2 root=/dev/hdc3 mem=128M no-hlt
If I don´t use option no-hlt, the system starts but is hung in little
minutes, and it shown me all the processor registers, the stack and the
message "idle task may not sleep".
In the attempts rest of starting were remained hung when was ending the
load kernel in report: Loading linux ....... (!!stop!!)
My system crashes while it´s booting. I
I only can boot linux in three steps:
1> loading Windows95
2> Restart in MSDOS MODE
3> loadlin kernel2.2 /dev/hdc3 no-hlt (root in /dev/hdc3)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur T. Murray)
Subject: Proposal for an Open Source Robot AI Operating System
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.ai,comp.robotics.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Date: 5 Feb 99 00:20:13 GMT
Linus Torvalds is a hero to many for harnessing the collective IQ
of the Internet in developing and championing the killer OS Linux.
Now let's do it all over again with a free (but sellable) RobotOS:
/^^^^^^^^^^^\ RobotOS built in Forth upon Linux /^^^^^^^^^^^\
/visual memory\ _________ / auditory \
| /--------|---------\ / LANG-UK \ | memory |
| | recog-|nition | \_________/---|-------------\ |
| ___|___ | | flush-vector| | ________ | |
| /image \ | ____V_ ____V__ | / \ | |
| / percept \ | /psi{ }\------/ uk{ } \----|-/ ear{ } \| |
| \ engrams /---|---/concepts\----/ lexicon \---|-\ phonemes / |
| \_______/ | \________/ \_________/ | \________/ |
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth
is the public domain implementation of the mind model shown above.
Two unique features of PDAI are the fact that it stores the entire
lexicon of any given natural language in the auditory array ear{ }
and that it uses string-effect activation to recognize user input.
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Undelete for Linux...?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:16:55 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joerg Klaas wrote:
>
> Does somwhere a kind of "undelete"-Utility exist for Linux ?
> (e.g. undeleting files that have been accidently removed by "rm")
Sure:
- Insert backup tape in /dev/nrst0
- Type "restore" from root prompt
....you _are_ making backups, right?
Kidding aside, there is no standardized 'undelete' command. There are
ways you can lessen your reliance on such things. Learning to think
twice before typing 'rm' is a good practice. Using version control for
programs and initialization scripts (and even ordinary documents) is
also helpful. RCS is pretty decent for one-person projects and general
system administration. So long as you don't remove your RCS archive,
you're fine....
Several of the prettier desktops implement a Windows/Mac -like 'trash'
or 'Recycle bin' feature. Note that this works only with GUI delete
features, and not necessarily with shell/CLI deleted material (you'll
find the same caveat applies under Windows anyway).
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
web: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
SAS/Linux: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself/SAS/SAS4Linux.html
7:11pm up 33 days, 20:24, 11 users, load average: 0.25, 0.19, 0.17
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From: "Robert C. Paulsen, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Quicken-Like App?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:21:01 -0600
"Karsten M. Self" wrote:
>
> Robert C. Paulsen, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is there a Quicken-like application for Linux?
>
> Aside from GNUCash (which looks pretty good), rumors are that older
> versions of Quicken run under WINE, and that a true Linux port might be
> under consideration (picked up at Slashdot, IIRC). You could call/write
> and ask what their plans are.
>
I just got done submitting a suggestion to Intuit via their web page.
--
Robert Paulsen http://paulsen.home.texas.net
If my return address contains "ZAP." please remove it. Sorry for the
inconvenience but the unsolicited email is getting out of control.
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Q] "Unable to load interpreter" message.
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:22:45 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andrei A. Dergatchev wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm running some calculations under Slack (kernel 2.0.30). PII350/128
> {I haven't figured out yet how to get Slack to see all 128M as it
> boots from floppy and I can't find anything near lilo.conf on
> my HDD.} So currently it sees 64M only. {I'm having some problems
> making swap files larger that 64M so} currently I have:
Try booting a DOS floppy and runing LOADLIN with MEM=128M. Then reread
the LILO FAQ and documentation.
> During program's running I've got a message "Unable to load
> interpreter". I'm pretty sure that I don't have such a message in my
> program :-) I'm using g77. The message appeared after ~2 hours of
> continous disk activity.
I concur with the low memory assessment. Try running a command like
'free', 'cat /proc/meminfo', or 'top' to find out what your current
memory and swap utilization are, and what program(s) might be consuming
much of it.
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
web: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
SAS/Linux: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself/SAS/SAS4Linux.html
7:11pm up 33 days, 20:24, 11 users, load average: 0.25, 0.19, 0.17
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.M. Paden)
Subject: Re: Linux Newbie
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:55:09 GMT
"TWK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a NG(s) for those interesting in learning more about
>Linux, starting with the basics? I ended up in this ng because it seems well
>populated compared to others.
>
>Thanks..........Tim
>
>
alt.os.linux
alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
comp.os.linux.misc
comp.os.linux.setup
comp.os.linux.x
comp.windows.x
comp.windows.x.386.unix
and also take a look at:
http://basiclinux.hypermart.net/basic/index.htm
Regards,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The last temptation is the greatest treason:
To do the right deed for the wrong reason."
--T.S. Eliot
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