Linux-Misc Digest #867, Volume #24               Mon, 19 Jun 00 20:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  linux as a gateway... ("CME")
  mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Oliver Baker)
  Re: TrendMicro InterScan VirusWall on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: LILO 21.4.4 compilation (John in SD)
  Re: Message in /var/log/message and TCP (Hal Burgiss)
  Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Harlan Grove)
  Re: Disabling app called in boot-up? (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Help figuring out cdrecord errors needed (Ray)
  Re: Apache Woes ("Tom Hoffmann")
  Re: Netscape & Other Web Browsers (DarkStar)
  Re: Tape backup: tar versus dump (David C.)
  Re: newbie distros do they really exist? ("MadHead")
  mount question
  Question about programs
  Re: Good linux printer (Mark)
  Re: Linux freeze when running at 500 Mhz (Colin Smith)
  Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Colin Smith)
  Re: Squid transparent proxy/authentication (David Burris)

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From: "CME" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: linux as a gateway...
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:13:21 GMT

I am a newbie to linux/networking so bear with me...

Can someone point me in the right direction for using my linux box as a
gateway for the Winblows computers on my LAN? I want to stay away from a
proxy [Squid] if possible. Someone mentioned NAT to me, but is there another
way?

TIA,
CME



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From: Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:16:54 GMT

O.K., I know this is probably an impossible question to answer, but what
the hay.

Would anyone care to compare--either quantitatively or
qualitatively--the number of mind hours that have gone into developing
Linux as an OS verus what has gone into developing Windows as an OS?

I'm writing a magazine article for a trade magazine and don't know much
about this stuff. I've heard people call Linux more reliable than
Windows. If true, it seems to me that this could be because a) Linux is
better designed b)it attempts to do less, c) more people have invested
time in making it work and/or c)smarter people (and, hey, let's say
better looking while we're at it) have invested time in making it work
(I guess there's some overlap with "a)" here). 

I thought I'd make a meager attempt to evaluate the possibility of
"c"--although if anybody wants to cast a vote or express a thought as to
the other options (or to propose alternatives), I'd be interested to
read. Thanks for any thoughts.
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: TrendMicro InterScan VirusWall on Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:22:40 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Lilia Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are running TrendMicro InterScan VirusWall  (SMTP) on RedHat 6.1
> Linux. Since some days we have a series of system crashes. The server
> just hangs and there is nothing neither in the system nor in the
> application logs.
>

Look at the output of /opt/trend/ISBASE/IScan.BASE/perfmon
to see what the iscan process are doing. All should say OK.

If you lots in  EXIT state and they are not
recyling/restarting then, either upgrade to the newest
version of TrendMicro  and/or restart trend/sendmail
every few hours from cron as cheap work around.

Eric McGough


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO 21.4.4 compilation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:34:36 GMT

The target you are trying to make is 'disk.com'.  Since this is a diagnostic
tool which does not link with anything, it may be safely removed from the
"all:" line in the Makefile.

The problem is your as86 is out of date.  Older versions of as86 do not
support the .asciz directive.  as86 is part of the bcc package.  I have seen
it distributed variously as 'dev86' or 'bin86'.

--John Coffman



On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:11:18 GMT, Mariusz Szczerbinski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'm trying to compile LILO 21.4.4 and I recive error while trying to
>compile disk.s file. This is an as86 command and I have no idea how to
>fix it. It is on RH60.
>Does anybody had similar problem before ? Do you maybe know the place
>where I can find precompiled version of LILO ? I need this to suppor my
>30GB disk (more tham 1024 cyl problem).
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.


LILO version 21.4.3 (06-May-2000) source at
ftp: sd.dynhost.com   dir:  /pub/linux/lilo

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Message in /var/log/message and TCP
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:45:45 GMT

On 19 Jun 2000 20:30:05 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:01:45 GMT, 
> Kevin Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I keep getting this message in /var/log/message.  What does it mean?  
>> 
>> inetd[727]: auth/tcp: bind: Address already in use
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> inetd[12961]: ftp/tcp: bind: Address already in use
>> 
>> 
>> I have both of these services offered in inetd.conf
>
>Sounds like you have two copies of inetd running.

Yes, after the 6.2 upgrade it is probably starting both via inetd
and init.d.

-- 
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 19 Jun 2000 15:55:56 PST

In comp.os.linux.misc Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm writing a magazine article for a trade magazine and don't know much
> about this stuff. I've heard people call Linux more reliable than
> Windows. If true, it seems to me that this could be because a) Linux is
> better designed b)it attempts to do less, c) more people have invested
> time in making it work and/or c)smarter people (and, hey, let's say
> better looking while we're at it) have invested time in making it work
> (I guess there's some overlap with "a)" here). 

I can say for sure that it is not b. You could make an argument for c
but it is hard to say who is smarter and who has put in more hours. The
most proximate explanation is a. Linux started out with a better design
and has built upon that ever since; Windows started with something mediocre
and has built upon that ever since.

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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:59:08 GMT

Oliver Baker wrote:
Allow me.


> 
> O.K., I know this is probably an impossible question to answer, but what
> the hay.

The word "impossible" should be banished.

> 
> Would anyone care to compare--either quantitatively or
> qualitatively--the number of mind hours that have gone into developing
> Linux as an OS verus what has gone into developing Windows as an OS?
> 

Yes, Linux wins as it's a world wide effort.
They have in-excess of 100,000 people working on Linux world wide.

Microsoft has 17,500 people of which a fraction actually code.


> I'm writing a magazine article for a trade magazine and don't know much
> about this stuff. I've heard people call Linux more reliable than
> Windows. If true, it seems to me that this could be because a) Linux is
> better designed 

Yes this is true.  Linux is better designed.

>b)it attempts to do less, 

No!  Amazingly it actually does more.


>c) more people have invested
>time in making it work and/or 
>c)smarter people (and, hey, let's say
> better looking while we're at it) have invested time in making it work

Discounting the sillyness, let's say that the intellects are equal.

Linux is better for the following reasons.

#1.   Everybody who hacks code for Linux put's their name with that 
      code for all the world to read.  Microsoft employee's don't do
      that.  

      If you put your stamp on something for the world to read, you
      better do your best.   Your image is at stake.  

#2.   Linux is open source and Microsoft is not.  If there's a bug
      in the code, people will find it and submit a patch or a coding
      suggestion to the author.  Patches are written and the corrected
      code is available world wide in typically one day's time.

      Microsoft accepts bug reports and then mixes them all together in
      one large service pack.  Certain patches have a tendency to defeat
      others so the process is much larger, more time consuming, and
more
      expensive to accomplish.  Thus the chance for error is greater
thus
      leaving the client with unfinished or unworking product.

      A Linux implementation is more segregated where the Microsoft
implementation
      is more integrated.  If a Linux patch fails it won't take the
entire
      operating system down.  If a code patch fails in a .dll in a
Microsoft
      OS, the operating systems integrity is at stake.  This can
sometimes
      lead to the imfamous blue screen at worst and at best will lead
      to multiple services becomming inoperable.


> (I guess there's some overlap with "a)" here).
> 
> I thought I'd make a meager attempt to evaluate the possibility of
> "c"--although if anybody wants to cast a vote or express a thought as to
> the other options (or to propose alternatives), I'd be interested to
> read. Thanks for any thoughts.
> 
> Oliver Baker
> 


It is my belief that anyone who has attempted to study Linux development
and the GNU free software license will see the immediate advantages in
Linux.
They will experience these advantages and advancements.
They will come to realize that Linux is overtaking Microsoft in
technology.
That this leadership will be seen this year and for every year
thereafter.

That coders working together in cooperation worldwide are developing
software at a faster rate than Microsoft can manange to do.

That innovation is becomming a world wide thing rather than a corporate
model. 

I make example of the new 2.4 kernel, KDE2, Linuxconf, Lothar, Webadmin,
so on and so forth and more comming every month.

Microsoft has topped out on the ideas market.
And they are also out of manpower to fight the world wide system too.

Charlie

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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:45:08 -0700

Not wanting to do your job for you, I'll ask leading
questions.

Linux is descended from what operating system (OS)?

That precursor OS is how old?

That precursor OS was or was not available in source code
in many (most?) colleges and universities with good to
excellent Computer Science departments?

There are how many other open source descendents from the
precursor OS? And they're how old?


Flip side: how many programmers does Microsoft admit to
having working on Windows? How long has Windows been in
existence? Do versions prior to 3.0, 3.1, 95 count? Has any
piece of Windows ever been open sourced?

Answer these, and you'll get an idea about the relative
mind-hours comparison. Using a biological metaphor, Windows
is highly bred for a rather narrow set of environments
(there are Alpha (and Mips?) ports). Linux is the product
of several dozen generations in a much, much broader set of
environments. Which is likely to be more robust?


* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web 
Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Disabling app called in boot-up?
Date: 19 Jun 2000 19:03:36 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:46:46 -0600, Steve Browne 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I've installed Linux Mandrake 7.1 and I've found that the SMP kernel
>hangs at boot on the "Checking for new hardware" line. This is calling
>the RedHat app "kudzu". I would like to disable "kudzu" from the boot
>process to see if that's what is really causing the hang-up. Where
>would I find the script that lists these boot-up calls? Or is it
>scattered all around.?

/etc/rc.d/init.d/kudzu is the main script, but don't delete it.  Go into
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ and rm *kudzu* ... do the same in rc3.d if you use
runlevel 3 at all.  Alternatively, you could chmod -x kudzu and get a
similar effect.

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: Re: Help figuring out cdrecord errors needed
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:06:53 GMT

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:34:13 -0400, Gary Nielson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
>My new VA Linux system with its CD-ROM -- a Sony CRX145S 1.0b Removable
>--
>was working great at first but now always gives me a "fixated
>error" (listed below) and aborts when blanking a cd-rw disk. To the
>best of my knowledge, I have not made any system changes to account for
>this. I did upgrade to Cdrecord 1.9a02 when I started having the
>problems using 1.8. I scanned the newsgroups and found some people with
>similar
>problems, but  couldn't find any replies and explanations. Here is a
>rundown of my
>error messages, and any insight you might have would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>1) When I record to a cd-r disk, it writes all the data, but then when
>it
>goes "Fixating..." it craps out on me.

<SNIP>

>Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
>
>2) When I try to BLANK a cd-rW disk, I get a "Sense flags: Blk 0 (not
>valid)" and a message that :
>
>Blocks total: 336075 Blocks current: 336075 Blocks remaining: 336225
>Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in write mode for single session.
>Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
>Blanking entire disk
>CDB:  A1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
>Sense Bytes: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 04 01 00 00
>Sense Key: 0x2 Not Ready, Segment 0
>Sense Code: 0x04 Qual 0x01 (logical unit is in process of becoming
>ready) Fru 0x0
>Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
>cmd finished after 14.067s timeout 9600s
>
>and the disk is not erased.

<SNIP>

Ok, so in short, writing works but fixating and blanking fail.  Do you have
any other devices on that same scsi card?  I'm asking because some devices
refuse to release the SCSI bus until they have completed whatever command
they were given (there is an actual term for this that escapes me at the
moment).  You might not notice this during a write because you are only
waiting for a small chunk of data to transfer to the drive's internal cache
but both blanking and fixating are just a single command and can take quite
a long time to complete.  I havn't actually seen this happen on SCSI cd
writers but It is a common problem with scanners and IDE cd writers with
another drive on the same controller.  You might want to check your scsi
card's bios settings (and manual) for an option like "Allow Disconnection"
and maybe see if there is a related option for the driver for your card.

-- 
Ray

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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache Woes
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:08:58 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Hunt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am using  Apache Server 1.3.12 on Redhat Linux 6.2.  I have document
> root set as /usr/local/apache/htdocs and I want my visitors to be able
> to access every subfolder in /usr/local/apache/htdocs.  How can I do
> this?

Make sure all the directories/files in the fully qualified path(s) to
your .html documents are readable and browsable by everyone.  This
includes the /usr/local/apache/htdocs portion too.


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From: DarkStar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape & Other Web Browsers
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:15:14 GMT

J Bland wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:45:26 GMT, DarkStar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Netscape either causes my system to hang or completely kills the X
> >server. I need to know of any other web browsers that are available.
> 
> As a tip: turn off Java,

Can't find this option.

 >don't run it as root, 

That's what I figured. 

>and learn the dubious merits
> of killall -9 netscape. 

Yep, learned that one too.

Oh, and repeatedly swear at it, it doesn't help but
> it makes you feel better.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Tape backup: tar versus dump
Date: 19 Jun 2000 19:22:56 -0400

Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> BTW, I also discovered that TAR has a 2GB file limit!!!  So I can't
>> use this one either...
> 
> That's a *filesystem* limit, I believe.  I've dumped more than 2gig to
> tape many times with tar.

According to the info-documentation for GNU tar, the size of each file
is stored as a 12-byte integer.  This is approximately 7.9x10^28 bytes,
or 79 octilion bytes.  I don't think anybody is likely to encounter this
limit :-).

-- David

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From: "MadHead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: newbie distros do they really exist?
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:35:11 +0100

Surely a distro is only a newbie distro if it works on that newbie's machine
first time?

That could be any of the distros out there, it is dependant on your
particular machine's config
and whether the distro has built in support for your hardware or not.

I've previously installed Red hat 5.2 and 6.0 - 5.2 worked sort of & 6.0
crashed and burned.
I moved to Caldera2.2 and got it going ok first time.
However only after 3 months of trying did I get my sound card, dial up
networking, mounting Vfat32 disks and numerous other things correctly
set-up. As I stated above if I had used a distro like mandrake7.0 to start
with I'd be three months ahead by now.

I also tried Turbo Linux 6.0a it's different to the others but worked.

Mandrake 7.0. Is definitely an improvement on older distributions.
It offers a lot of choice to the newbie gnome, KDE and lots of already
updated software.

Let's face it Mandrake is Redhat with lots of updates applied and some nice
additional touches.
(Graphical install - definitely a winner in my book)

Mandrake took me 4 attempts to get it working on an old works gateway
machine PIII 366MHZ.
I found the problem was simply the installer just don't like you changing
your mind half way through.
I now have a multiple booting NT4.0/dos6.22/Mandrake PC - cool.

On my home PC (AMD K6 II 350) It took one go to get all.
i.e sblive value, 3COM100MB/s network card (3c509XL),
TNT Nvidia AGP graphics card (diamond Viper 550) and dial-up networking
all functioning correctly first time without any changes needed at all.

Just as a matter of interest I've worked in the industry for about 15 years
and have recently
been involved in a year long move to NT4.0 from Unix character based
technology
and I really think that NT4.0 isn't a newbie distro either - in fact a pile
of ____ springs to mind.
To get it to work without fault is an achievement in itself and something I
would never recommend to a newbie user.

Just my little bit,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]





"Flounder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I want to know what makes mandrake a newbie distro? Most people that
> say Redhat is not a newbie distro say Mandrake is but why? They are
> pretty much the same. Mandrake you can do all the same stuff you can
> on redhat, slack, debian and all these other "elite" distros. I have
> used all these distros and like them all but I have been a linux users
> for 2 years and have found that you can do all the same things on all
> these systems. People just seem to think if it is harder it is better.
> dselect on debian is easy to use so why is debian not a newbie distro.
> I started on slack and am still here why isn't a newbie distro I ran
> it as a newbie. I think the reason why people think Mandrake is a
> newbie system is because it is newer than all those so they think
> since it hasn't been around as long it is a newbie distro. I want to
> know what you all think. Tell me what you think is a newbie distro and
> what makes it that way. Real reason not just like uuuh.... because you
> an't cool unless you have to uuuh... just because I like so and so
> distro so the ones I don't like are newbie distros.
> I do not mean to start a flame war I want serious answers please with
> valid reasons. I mean linux is linux is linux.
>
> Please send all flames to /dev/null
>
> --
> Flounder
>
> >+++++++[<++++++++++>-]<++++.---------.+.++++.++.
>
>
>





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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mount question
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:30:05 GMT

I couldn't figure this out reading man mount:  How do I set up my fstab 
file so that the floppy will mount both a ext2 and a vfat filesystem 
floppy.  CAn I set it up so that it will work with whatever I stick in the 
drive?

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question about programs
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:30:06 GMT

I got a distro of linux and its got all these RPMs but I have no clue what 
they install.  There is nothing on the cd to tell me what they are or what 
they do.  Where can I find a nice list of comon linux rpm or programs that 
are generally packaged with a distro.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Good linux printer
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:22:38 GMT

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:53:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Sorry if I this question has been asked...
>
>I have a dual boot box with Linux/W98. I am planning to buy a printer
>that works on linux. I know that there are some win printers that do
>not work on linux.
>
>I am looking at spending something around $100. Can someone that has
>gone through this phase, update his experiences here so that would
>benefit me and others too.
>
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
I have installed an Epson Stylus Color 800 on both linux (RedHat 6.x)
and Win98/NT4/2000 (don't ask). I had great luck both ways. Currently,
I print via Samba in RH 6.2 to a Win2K  print server. I had it the
other way around before, and it worked fine. You can probably pick one
of these up used for less that $100.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux freeze when running at 500 Mhz
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:31:33 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:34:43 +0200, Stéphane Marguet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Danke Stefan for your answer, even if I really don't like the answer :))) well
>I hope the processor is not completely toasted.
>Stephane
>
>Stefan Soos a écrit :
>
>> Stéphane Marguet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > First excuse me for the cross-posting.
>> > But Linux run fine at 333 Mhz and freeze at 500 Mhz. It's running fine (well
>> > , it's running as usual) on windows !!
>> > So it's or a problem of speed or of temperature. No ??
>> >
>>
>> Hi,
>> just for reference. I'm running an AMD-K6/2 500 at 40°C.
>>
>> One year ago I had a similar problem. I could run windows (even playing games)
>> but linux refused to boot. It was a hardware failrue. The processor was
>> completely toasted.

Got to be real careful with the CPU heatsink and fan. I've just upgraded to an 
AMD-K6/2 550 which runs about 42C at the moment. A cable snagged the fan on the
heatsink and the temperature went up to 68C. Crash.

Anybody know how much punishment the AMD CPU can take before it's toast? It seems
happy at the moment. Is there any Linux software which can monitor the CPU 
temperature? Will Linux halt the CPU when idle or is additional software needed?

-- 
UCE probe.
Don't send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] there's nobody home.
The address captures spammer addresses and /dev/nulls all their mail.
Regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Smith)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:36:22 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:16:54 GMT, Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I'm writing a magazine article for a trade magazine and don't know much
>about this stuff. I've heard people call Linux more reliable than
>Windows. If true, it seems to me that this could be because a) Linux is
>better designed b)it attempts to do less, c) more people have invested
>time in making it work and/or c)smarter people (and, hey, let's say
>better looking while we're at it) have invested time in making it work
>(I guess there's some overlap with "a)" here). 

What about d) The source code is available to all? Read the Cathedral 
and the Bazaar by Eric Raymond:

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar.html

-- 
UCE probe.
Don't send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] there's nobody home.
The address captures spammer addresses and /dev/nulls all their mail.
Regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: David Burris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Squid transparent proxy/authentication
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:36:44 -0500

Thanks Justin.  I did find some info on the Squid maillist, but it was bad
news.  It doesn't look like password authentication and the transparent proxy
functionality can work together
http://list.cineca.it/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0005&L=squid&D=0&P=39082.

If you have any ideas, please let me know.

Thanks again,
Dave

Justin B Willoughby wrote:

> David Burris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> > Is it possible to set Squid up as a transparent proxy AND to
> > authenticate users using the external authentication programs (i.e.
> > ncsa_auth).  I've successfully set Squid/Linux up to do transparent
> > proxying and I've gotten the password authentication to work, but they
> > don't seem to work together.
> >
> > What are alternatives if transparent proxy and password authentication
> > cannot be used together?
>
> It is possible. I have seen this question come up a number of times on the
> Squid maillist. You might want to try and search the archive of this list
> to see what needs to be done. Also check out Squid's FAQ at
> www.squid-cache.org as well!
>
> - Justin
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