Linux-Misc Digest #914, Volume #24 Sat, 24 Jun 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: xf86config setup ("Gero H. Marten")
KDE, GNOME etc (2:1)
Linux on Compaq Armada M300 (David Plaut)
Re: No data displayed by ntop 1.3.1. (Jason Bassford)
XFce 3.4.1 released (Olivier Fourdan)
Re: Can't mount cdrom ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Can I run X on an old laptop? (acepea)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Robie Basak)
choosing between VMWare linux and Windows NT/2000 version ("Gijs Calis")
Re: KDE, GNOME etc (Christopher Browne)
Re: KDE, GNOME etc (2:1)
Re: xf86config setup ("Dave Stanton")
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? ("Dave Schanen")
Re: Something wrong. Unable to load Xwindows (ray)
Re: gcc-2.95.2 rpm? Where? (Johan Kullstam)
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xf86config setup
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:19:50 +0200
> Scott Szymanski wrote:
>
> Hello
> I have been triing forever to get the right configuration for my computer
> with no success. I am using mandrake 6.0 and have a SiS6326 AGP 8mb video
> card. I have a Digital Autoscan monitor that supports horizontal
> frequencys from 30-70KHz and vertical frequencies from 50-120KHz, and it
> has a maximum resolution of 1280 x 1024. I have tried almost every setting
> in Xconfigurator and it always fails the test it runs at the end and then
> when i use startx, only certain things show up. I have also tried
> xf86config with the same results. I would greatly appreciate if someone
> could offer some help with this annoying problem.
> Thanks for the help
> Scott
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
As far as I recall, the SiS6326 isn't supported by Xfree. The only
help I can give, is that there is a commercial driver from Xig which
is supposed to support this card. You can look at
<www.xig.com/>
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/>
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE, GNOME etc
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:16:31 +0100
Hi
I was wondering...
I know thet KDE and GNOME aren't window managers, but I'm not entirely
sure what else they do.
Personally I like the FVWM2 window manager.
Is it possible to run KDE or GNOME apps with this window manager?
Do I have to do anything special or can I just execute them?
Do I just need the KDE and GNOME libraries installed to run KNE and
GNOME apps, whatever WM is running?
thanks
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Plaut)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Linux on Compaq Armada M300
Date: 24 Jun 2000 13:38:15 GMT
I recently installed RedHat 6.2 on a Compaq Armada M300 laptop. As I wasn't
able to find an existing web page describing how to do this, I created one at
http://www.cnbc.cmu.edu/~plaut/m300
I hope this is helpful to others who are interested in running Linux on this
great machine.
-Dave
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Subject: Re: No data displayed by ntop 1.3.1.
From: Jason Bassford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:45:42 -0700
>I see the same, or something similar. For me, 1.3 will not
>launch into interactive mode, but only in web mode.
Have you tried "intop -i eth0", followed by "top" once in that
interface? (Not that it shows me anything...)
>Did you build from tar ball?
Yes. There doesn't seem to be an RPM version of 1.3.1 around
anywhere.
I did get the following email from somebody else though, even
though I'm not quite sure how to follow the instructions (I'm
writing the author back):
"I was able to correct the not displaying of data by downlocading
and building libpcap. Even though I had libpcap installed and
working, the ethereal rpm version. Having the pcap source code in
the same directory as the ntop release allowed ntop to build
properly. What is strange is ntop did not error out when I had
pcap installed and seemed to configure and make fine."
Jason.
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From: Olivier Fourdan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: XFce 3.4.1 released
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:55:59 GMT
XFce 3.4.1 is released and available for download from http://www.xfce.org
XFce is an easy-to-use and easy-to-configure environment for X11 released under
the terms of the GNU/GPL license, based on GTK+, with pulldown menus and color
icons, 3D widgets, etc. XFce features now a set of applications including a
powerful Window Manager xfwm, a toolbar/application launcher, a backdrop
manager, a system sound manager for X11, a user friendly interface for mouse
configuration, a pager providing a miniature view of all XFce desktops, a
clock/calendar and at last but not least a filemanager, all sharing the same
look'n feel.
Please visit http://www.xfce.org for more informations :
* Info : http://www.xfce.org
* Changes : http://www.xfce.org/archive/ChangeLog
* Snapshots : http://www.xfce.org/snapshots.html
* Download : http://www.xfce.org/download.html
Best regards,
Olivier.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't mount cdrom
Date: 24 Jun 2000 13:52:31 GMT
Robert Hampf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> helt pessu fram:
: :
: : First; I did make dep not depmod but the kicker is that I was not
: : putting the new kernel in the right place. Once I put it in the right
: : place all but the cdrom and isofs symbols resolved. Any thoughts on
: : these. Are they neede for the ide-scsi when mounting a ide cdrom as a
: : scsi.
: Have you tried not to use modules? To compile everything into the
: kernel. It makes things a lot simplier.
No it doesn't. How can making your choices at compile time be simpler
than making your choices at run time?
That guy should just stop messing up: remove his modules, compile and
install new ones, end of argument. I'm sorry he's not capable of
working out on his own exactly which modules he's leaving undeleted and
which he's forgetting to replace, but if his neuron isn't up to it, it
just isn't ..
Peter
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Subject: Re: Can I run X on an old laptop?
From: acepea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:07:23 -0700
My patience paid off. i created a swap of 64M. i managed to
deselect the packages that i understood i did not need (there
still may be stuff on there that i did not understand). and
successfully installed linux with X.
now i have a different problem. after all the effort of
installing linux and X i find i have a lot less free space and
the system to be much slower than when win95 was on. and i don't
even have an office suite on yet. under 95 i had MS Office &
Netscape installed. under linux i just have netscape.
makes me wonder if i screwed up somewhere during installation?
to give some idea under xosview the system shows only 22M of the
24M of RAM. In spite of creating a 64M swap the system crawls
under X.
what gives??
-Sid
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jun 2000 14:22:35 GMT
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:07:37 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Robie Basak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Isn't it nice how there's one standard interface for installing a
>> package, through which you can easily check which files were installed
>> where, read any additional install scripts and quickly verify that all
>> installed files are still present and undamaged?
>
>We don't want no steenkin "standard interface".
>Linux is all about choice. You can CHOOSE the one that suits YOU.
>(Try that in M$ world)
There _are_ choices - there are a variety of package formats, rpm and
deb being the main ones. However, for your chosen distribution there
is one standard package.
Robie.
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From: "Gijs Calis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: choosing between VMWare linux and Windows NT/2000 version
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:39:38 +0200
I want to use VMWare to access my future other operating systems. For
research and experimentation I'm installing Windows 98/ Windows NT / Windows
2000 and Linux (Mandrake or Storm) on my computer (which is up to the task
hardware wise).
So my questions are
Which option is faster, Windows 2000 or Linux? (if there is any difference
at all)
Wich version is more stable? (more important of course)
I'd be very glad is someone could helpl me out,
Gijs Calis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: KDE, GNOME etc
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:50:53 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
would say:
>I was wondering...
>I know thet KDE and GNOME aren't window managers, but I'm not entirely
>sure what else they do.
There are two main valid points of view on what they are:
a) To the programmer, KDE and GNOME are a set of libraries intended to
provide various services not provided by X or UNIX.
b) To the user, KDE and GNOME represent a set of applications that
_use_ the libraries from a) to provide some common functionality
across the set of applications.
>Personally I like the FVWM2 window manager.
>
>Is it possible to run KDE or GNOME apps with this window manager?
>Do I have to do anything special or can I just execute them?
>Do I just need the KDE and GNOME libraries installed to run KNE and
>GNOME apps, whatever WM is running?
If GNOME and KDE are "basically a set of libraries," or "basically
a set of apps _using_ those libraries," then presuably the answer
is that you indeed do need to have those libraries installed in order
to run the applications.
That is indeed the case; to run KDE stuff, you need the apps and the
relevant libraries. Ditto for GNOME. And as for the first question,
yes, they can run _fine_ along with whatever window manager you prefer
to use.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE, GNOME etc
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:57:31 +0100
Thanks, it is now worthwhile downloading the libs and apps.
:-)
-Ed
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From: "Dave Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xf86config setup
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:05:27 +0100
"Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Scott Szymanski wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> > I have been triing forever to get the right configuration for my
computer
> > with no success. I am using mandrake 6.0 and have a SiS6326 AGP 8mb
video
> > card. I have a Digital Autoscan monitor that supports horizontal
> > frequencys from 30-70KHz and vertical frequencies from 50-120KHz, and
it
> > has a maximum resolution of 1280 x 1024. I have tried almost every
setting
> > in Xconfigurator and it always fails the test it runs at the end and
then
> > when i use startx, only certain things show up. I have also tried
> > xf86config with the same results. I would greatly appreciate if someone
> > could offer some help with this annoying problem.
> > Thanks for the help
> > Scott
> >
> > --
> > Posted via CNET Help.com
> > http://www.help.com/
>
> As far as I recall, the SiS6326 isn't supported by Xfree. The only
> help I can give, is that there is a commercial driver from Xig which
> is supposed to support this card. You can look at
I am running SiS5326 under SUSE 6.1 and dl the new SVGA driver rpm off the
SUSE web site. Hope this helps.
Cheers
Dave
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From: "Dave Schanen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:06:58 -0500
> When it comes to pure processing speed the current winner in
> this debate is Intel, no doubt about it.
There is a doubt, or it wouldn't be debated at all. If all you define speed
as is clock frequency without regard for architecture, then intel systems
are faster, but it's obvious a sun will outperform an IA32 machine clocked
higher, even on the many overhyped benchmarks.
>
> However, when looking at a system to serve files, process
> data and manage multiple tasks processing speed isn't the
> only criteria.
>
> Sun builds expensive, reliable well designed (for the most
> part) servers and clients that can be installed easily and
> do what they are designed to do. Solaris (and SunOS) has
> gone through many revisions and even without any add on
> suites it is remarkably reliable.
>
> This isn't the case with Intel machines. First you have
> to decide either on a motherboard (and chipset) or a PC
> manufacturer (like Dell, Compaq or H. P.) and then go from
> there. If you make a poor choice in motherboards the CPU's
> speed won't count for much.
>
> I personally have a Tyan Tomcat IV with dual P-233 MMX CPU's
> for my own personal server. I also have several older
> Suns on my personal network as well. They are very good
> machines and extremely reliable. My main server up until
> 4 years ago was a Sun 3/160. I still use it as a Point of
> Sale server at antique computer shows with 16 serial terminals
> and at least as many clients on the ethernet.
>
> If I am installing a network in a small business for P. O. S.
> (point of sale) I look at exactly what is required. One of
> the biggest factors is going to be cost and reliability. For
> such an application I generally suggest that an Intel based
> server be used with Windows 9X as an OS and Intel based
> computers be used for terminals. In a small application
> like this where only employees have access, there are no
> external data lines and the most intensive access is still
> small (less than 5 terminals) there is no need for stringent
> security, high bandwidth, etc. Cost is the main focus in a
> very small business application as well as maintainability.
> They can't afford a system administrator so it becomes a very
> important factor that there be only one OS and that it be
> easy to use. I haven't found NT to be as reliable in these
> cases (calls back to installations for troubleshooting).
>
> In a medium sized install where money is tight I am now
> looking at Intel machines (Dell, HP and Compaq) for servers
> running LINUX and VMWare and running Windows on the server
> (NT or 9X) especially if it is a WAN or is used to access
> the internet. LINUX can be used as a firewall in this case
> and requires only minimal maintainance while providing very
> good security.
It's funny that anything better than NT provides 'good' security these days.
If you want security openbsd or solaris has a considerably better track
record than Linux, and both run on intel hardware.
>
> At this point I should mention that P. O. S. software runs
> under MS-DOS.
The machine I operate at a factory this summer runs it's program on MS-DOS,
we have to throw the main switch every time we set up for a new set of parts
for no particular reason...
>
> In large installs I recommend that a Sun be used, especially
> if it is going to be an internet based business. Suns are
> without a doubt reliable. This is a case where money is
> usually secondary to reliability and security is a must.
>
> So what is my point? Suns have a place, they are a tool
> just like many other computers are tools. The same is
> true of an operating system. No one OS or computer is the
> answer to all installations or problems. A good consultant
> understands that and makes decisions decided on the needs
> of his customer not on his preferences. He tries to give
> his client the proper tools to do the job. I love Suns
> but they aren't affordable for a lot of small applications
> and they just can't be recommended because I like them.
The "suns are good for internet servers only" mentality is silly. For any
sort of scientific data analysis suns are the only way to go, hence their
brisk workstation sales. A friend of mine does uses an mri scanning
technology for part of a academic cancer research project, and the analysis
of the data is done by, guess what, an ultra 60. The pci rev 2.1 slots
which all the ultra's but the 5's and 10's use are 66 mhz, I'm not aware of
any stock desktop pc systems which support this speed outside of the AGP
slot. Sun workstations are cheap as far as workstations go as well, take a
look at ibm's rs6000 line sometime. All the of decent scientific software
is only available for Unix systems as well, try and find a decent fortran
implementation for intel and NT. As far as sun systems being too expensive,
these are engineering/scientifc machines and servers, they're not meant for
use for playing games and doing spreadsheets. If you wanted a cost
effective solution for a WAN, the sunray systems are available, and it's
many times more efficent to have a half dozen sunrays sharing a servers
files (and more secure) than to have 12 dells which spend 99 percent of
their 600 mhz pIII clock cycles idle anyway. Suns are a better long term
solution as well, since solaris still supports it's legacy systems with each
new release, unlike NT 5 which requires, what? A 266 with 96 megs of ram to
play solitaire and run word? Linux is nice, and would certainly make intel
machines shine but is in need of some serious standardization and a little
less hype and more 3rd party support.
Dave
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something wrong. Unable to load Xwindows
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:06:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am unable to load Xwindows I get the following messages:
> "_FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno=111 failed to set default
> font path unix/:-1 Fatal Server error : Could not open default font 'fixed'
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno=111 giving up. xinit:
> Connection refused(errno111): unable to connect to xserver xinit:no such
> process(errno3): Server error" And then I get " According to
> /var/run/gdm.pid, gdm was already running(768), but seems to have been
> murdered mysteriously INIT:Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 mins. "
> Pl. give me soln. to this problem, cause I can't access the net thru Linux
> without Xin.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Here's a "guess", and certainly nothing more. Ensure (perhaps by ps ax |grep
xfs) that the X font server is running, beFORE you start X. That's the complaint
you are seeing, that unix/:-1 stuff is about XFS.
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Subject: Re: gcc-2.95.2 rpm? Where?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:08:13 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> ' Anyone knowing where to find a gcc-2.95.2 rpm?
>
> I'm sure you have a very good reason for wanting an rpm. However, you
> will find, if you tried, that building GCC from source is very easy if
> you already have an older compiler installed. Plus, you can have both
> compilers available at the same time if you happen to ever have need
> of compiling source that prefers the older compiler.
>
> Source is available from http://gcc.gnu.org.
there's also the problem of getting the half dozen or so incompatible
libstdc++ versions from each and every possible version of gcc/egcs.
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