Linux-Misc Digest #921, Volume #24 Sun, 25 Jun 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: getting rid of Linux (Harlan Grove)
Re: Any recommendations for distributions? (Stephen)
Who is loading the system and why? (David Steuber)
Re: gcc-2.95.2 rpm? Where? (David Steuber)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (David Steuber)
Re: LILO command line length limit ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HALTING Linux EXACTLY when I WANT TO.......!!!!!*smile* (Lew Pitcher)
Re: getting rid of Linux ("David ..")
Re: linux as a client :-( ("Fred Mertz")
Re: setting time. ("Fred Mertz")
Re: FTP ("David ..")
Setting console fonts... (Hendrix)
Re: Weird email to FETCHMAIL-DAEMON (long) (David Steuber)
Re: getting rid of Linux (David Steuber)
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting rid of Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:17:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How on earth do I get Linux OFF my computer?
Pass your harddisk through a strong magnetic field. That'll do it.
Seriously, use fdisk or some other disk partitioning software to delete
your linux partitions and recreate them as partitions for some other OS.
You'll need to be able to boot that other OS in order to format the new
partitions for use with that OS.
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From: Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Any recommendations for distributions?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:54:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Any recommendations? I'm leaning towards Slackware 7.0 right now,
but I
> > want to be sure it will not be like the RedHat 5.0 distribution that
I
> > bought a few years ago (it had so many problems, I found it to be a
> > waste of money and completely useless).
>
> Without knowing what problems you had with RH 5.0, I can't offer any
> advice or know whether any specific modern distribution today is
better
> in these respects.
>
> You may want to check my web site on Linux distributions:
>
> http://www.rodsbooks.com/distribs/
>
Very informative site. Unfortunately, you don't do a review on
Slackware. Would you consider doing a review of Slackware?
The problems I had with Redhat 5.0 include:
-"error" when it tried to install the bootloader (LILO) I had to
manually boot off of the boot disk for the install. I still have no idea
what would cause an "error" when it tried to write to the boot sector
-black & white X windows even though I specified a generic VGA video
card that could handle 8 colors in setup (which might have just been a
video card incompatability)
-X windows crashing when I tried to change a setting (I'm not sure what
setting I was trying to change, it was black & white and that prevented
me from being able to read some of the text, I think it was the colors)
After those problems, I deemed Win95 to be better for me at that time.
Now I am ready to get a better distribution/version now that I have more
knowlege and want the stability, efficiency, and power.
Have a nice day!
Stephen
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Subject: Who is loading the system and why?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:00:00 GMT
My load average is higher than it should be, and I don't know why.
Can someone give me a clue from this snapshot of top?
1:08am up 1:40, 3 users, load average: 1.07, 1.03, 1.01
49 processes: 48 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 2.7% user, 1.3% system, 0.0% nice, 96.2% idle
Mem: 127932K av, 123704K used, 4228K free, 47972K shrd, 55456K buff
Swap: 136072K av, 640K used, 135432K free 21616K cached
PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT LIB %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND
230 root 9 0 11620 11M 1972 S 0 1.5 9.0 0:20 X
914 david 14 0 788 788 616 R 0 1.3 0.6 0:01 top
336 david 9 0 4152 4152 2980 S 0 0.7 3.2 0:07 kvt
248 david 2 0 4196 4196 3076 S 0 0.3 3.2 0:01 kwm
1 root 0 0 196 196 168 S 0 0.0 0.1 0:05 init
2 root 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kflushd
3 root 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kupdate
4 root 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kpiod
5 root 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kswapd
81 root 0 0 620 620 468 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 cardmgr
122 root 0 0 648 648 536 S 0 0.0 0.5 0:00 syslogd
125 root 0 0 768 768 392 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 klogd
157 root 0 0 468 468 400 D 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 apmd
158 root 0 0 468 468 400 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 apmd
162 at 0 0 552 552 456 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 atd
164 root 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 rpciod
167 root 0 0 572 572 480 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 inetd
180 root 0 0 624 624 528 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 lpd
201 root 0 0 632 632 512 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 cron
208 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
209 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
210 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
211 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
212 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
213 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
214 root 0 0 796 796 612 S 0 0.0 0.6 0:00 nscd
222 root 0 0 448 448 376 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 mingetty
223 root 0 0 448 448 376 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 mingetty
224 root 0 0 448 448 376 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 mingetty
225 root 0 0 448 448 376 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 mingetty
226 root 0 0 448 448 376 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 mingetty
227 root 0 0 448 448 376 S 0 0.0 0.3 0:00 mingetty
228 root 0 0 2280 2280 2040 S 0 0.0 1.7 0:00 kdm
231 root 0 0 3564 3160 2556 S 0 0.0 2.4 0:00 kdm
314 david 0 0 3368 3368 2452 S 0 0.0 2.6 0:00 kwmsound
317 david 0 0 4760 4760 3468 S 0 0.0 3.7 0:01 kfm
323 david 0 0 3760 3760 2808 S 0 0.0 2.9 0:01 kbgndwm
326 david 0 0 3584 3584 2656 S 0 0.0 2.8 0:00 krootwm
329 david 0 0 4320 4320 3128 S 0 0.0 3.3 0:01 kpanel
330 david 0 0 2016 1780 1200 S 0 0.0 1.3 0:00 kaudioserver
331 david 0 0 2468 2468 1648 S 0 0.0 1.9 0:00 maudio
342 david 0 0 1356 1356 900 S 0 0.0 1.0 0:00 bash
477 root 0 0 1152 1152 852 S 0 0.0 0.9 0:00 sendmail
491 david 10 0 14100 13M 3516 S 0 0.0 11.0 1:13 xemacs
633 david 0 0 2708 2708 432 S 0 0.0 2.1 0:00 ispell
806 david 0 0 4236 4236 2972 S 0 0.0 3.3 0:00 kvt
807 david 0 0 1340 1340 892 S 0 0.0 1.0 0:00 bash
821 david 0 0 588 588 564 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 rlogin
824 david 0 0 596 596 564 S 0 0.0 0.4 0:00 rlogin
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NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: gcc-2.95.2 rpm? Where?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:00:02 GMT
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' there's also the problem of getting the half dozen or so incompatible
' libstdc++ versions from each and every possible version of gcc/egcs.
That doesn't seem to be such a problem when you compile your programs
from source.
With RPM or DEB packages, I could see that being a real problem. By
default, the build of GCC will produce versioned libstdc++ files. I
sure would hate to maintain RPMs for all those permutations out
there...
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David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:00:01 GMT
Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' I'd rather get the job done. "Best"results are something
' only academics have time to produce.
Getting the job done is certainly important. If you don't do that,
then the rest is moot. As for the ``Best'' results, they are
determined by accuracy and ease of reading. If it is inaccurate or
you can't read it easily, the the results are suboptimal.
' Not true. It is much easier to learn to produce reasonable
' documents with Word.
Really? In some cases, this may be true. But how difficult is this:
=============<snip>==================
\hsize=115mm
``Good morning!'' he said at last. ``We don't want any
adventures here, thank you! You might try over The Hill
or across The Water.'' By this he meant that the
conversation was at an end.
``What a lot of things you do use {\it Good morning\/}
for!'' said Gandalf. ``Now you mean that you want to get
rid of me, and that it won't be good till I move off.
``Not at all, not at all, my dear sir! Let me see,
I don't think I know your name?''
``Yes, yes, my dear sir!---and I do know your name,
Mr.~Bilbo Baggins. And you do know my name, though you
don't remember that I belong to it. I am Gandalf, and
Gandalf means me! To think that I should have lived
to be good-morninged by Beladonna Took's son, as if I was
selling buttons at the door!''
``Gandalf, Gandalf! Good gracious me! Not the wandering
wizard that gave Old Took a pair a pair of magic diamond studs
that fastened themselves and never came undone till ordered?
Not the fellow who used to tell such wonderful tales at
parties, about the dragons and goblins and giants and the
rescue of princesses and the unexpected luck of widows'
sons? \dots\ Bless me, life used to be quite inter---I mean,
you used to upset things badly in these parts once upon
a time. I beg your pardon, but I had no idea you were
still in business.''\footnote*{J. R. R. Tolkien,
{\it The Hobbit.}}
\bye
=============<snip>==================
' True. However, mediocre gets the job done most of the time.
And when it comes to an office memo, perhaps a simple e-mail in plain
ascii is the form of mediocrity to take.
I tell you, if you knew what goes into a .doc file, you would stop
using that format immediately. You might go with rtf instead, but it
seams that Microsoft keeps changing that too.
The above TeX file is pretty darn simple. You can start to get fancy
when you typeset math:
=============<snip>==================
\hsize=6in
\vsize=9.5in
\centerline{\bf 3. Endomorphisms of an $A$-module
of finite type}
\medskip
\noindent Theorem 3.1.
{\it If $M$ is an $A$-module of finite type and
$u:M\rightarrow M$ is an endomorphism of $M$, the following
equivalence holds:
$$
u \hbox{ is surjective }\iff u \hbox{ is bijective.}
$$}% end of italics
The direction $\Leftarrow$ is obvious. We show
the opposite direction $\Rightarrow$. Let
$(x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_n)$ be generators for $M$.
Since $u$ is surjective, there exist $y_i\in M$ such
that $x_i=u(y_i)$. Since the $x_i$ generate $M$,
there exist $a_{ij}\in A$ ($1\le i\le n$) such that
$y_i=\sum_{j=1}^n a_{ij}x_j$, whence
$$
x_i=\sum_{j=1}^n a_{ij}u(x_j)\qquad\hbox{for $i\le i\le n$}.
\leqno(3.1.1)
$$
Giving $M$ the $A[T]$-module structure defined by $u$,
this implies that
$$
x_i=\sum_{j=1}^n (a_{ij}T)x_j\qquad\hbox{in $M$}.
\leqno(3.1.2)
$$
Now give the $A[T]$=module $M^n$ the Mat$_n(A[T])$-module
structure described in (2.2.4). It is easy to see that
(3.1.2) implies that, in $M^n$,
$$
\pmatrix{
1-Ta_{11} & -a_{12} & \ldots& -a_{1n} \cr
-a_{21} & 1-Ta_{22}& \ldots& -a_{2n} \cr
\vdots & \vdots & \ddots& \vdots \cr
-a_{n1} & -a_{n2} & \ldots& 1=Ta_{nn}\cr
}
\pmatrix{x_1 \cr x_2 \cr \vdots \cr x_n \cr } = 0.
\leqno\rm (3.1.3)
$$
\bye
=============<snip>==================
You may be wondering how the heck the 2nd example turns out. Well, I
will show you how both examples turn out. This is not a binaries
group, so I will just post links:
http://www.david-steuber.com/hobbit.pdf
http://www.david-steuber.com/math.pdf
I suspect the second example would be most difficult to do in Word.
The first example may look trivial, but I suspect Word can't do it
quite right. In either case, both input files were entered with
XEmacs, an editor that won't rearrange your file out of shear whimsy.
Nor will it force you to format according to the printer that you have
hooked up to your system. Isn't it a bitch how Word will do that?
Imagine assuming that your printer is the final output device!
When you get around to more complex documents, you do have to know
more for both TeX and its derivatives and for MS Word. The difference
is that TeX will let you do what you want to do. MS Word will reach a
point where it just says, ``no!''
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David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LILO command line length limit
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:05:51 GMT
Thanks for the reply. I have downloaded the latest source and compiled
it, and it has sorted out the lilo problem. I was using lilo as
provided under RedHat 6.1, so I will be looking at the 6.2 RPMS's to
see if they have this lilo version.
Shaddy Baddah
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This bug was introduced into LILO by the "LARGE_EBDA" patch applied
to version
> 21. It has been fixed since release 21.4.3. The latest LILO
release, 21.4.4,
> is at:
>
> ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo
>
> --John Coffman
>
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:09:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I've looked into the source to confirm it, and I
> >am of the belief that lilo truncates a command
> >line to 78 characters. I would like someone to
> >confirm this, as I have searched high and low
> >through all the relevant documents for an
> >indication that this is the case, and found no
> >mention of it. Loadlin does not do this by the
> >way, and personally, I can't understand why the
> >limit is so small. Maybe there is a technical
> >reason for this? Either way, I resign myself to a
> >recompiler of a reconfigured lilo, unless someone
> >can offer an alternative???
> >
> >Shaddy
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
> LILO version 21.4.3 (06-May-2000) source at
> ftp: sd.dynhost.com dir: /pub/linux/lilo
>
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: HALTING Linux EXACTLY when I WANT TO.......!!!!!*smile*
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:08:26 -0400
Hendrix wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm trying to use the shutdown command to halt the computer at a
> specific time and date... Is this possible...??? For instance, how
> would I be able to halt the computer at 10:00pm...???
>
> Would I use: shutdown -h 10:00
That command would:
a) prevent any further logins until the shutdown either completes or
is cancelled, and
b) shutdown and halt your system at 10:00 AM
> And what if I wanted to halt the computer at 10:00pm on June 23rd...???
> Is there a way to do this (even without the shutdown command)...???
at 10pm Jun 23
shutdown -h now
^D
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Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting rid of Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:12:34 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How on earth do I get Linux OFF my computer?
If you still have linux to where you can boot into it?
boot "linux 3"
then run lilo -u
then "fdisk /dev/hda"
delete all linux partitions
Boot with a windows/DOS boot disk and run: "fdisk /MBR"
If you don't have linux to where you can boot to it.
Insert installation boot disk and follow through the installation until
you get to the partition section. Delete all linux partitions. And
choose next or back. and Save changes.
Then do a reset reboot with a windoz/DOS boot disk and run: "fdisk /MBR"
Hope this helps.
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From: "Fred Mertz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux as a client :-(
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:28:51 GMT
RedHat (and most other distributions) support TrueType fonts. If you
download and install the Microsoft fonts (Arial, Verdana, etc.), then your
browser on Linux should look very similar to your browser under Windows.
Fred
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8j40ac$rug$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > > 2. Fonts are still a problem. I installed Mandrake 7.1, with
> > > XFree86 4.0, and Netscape fonts still can't compete with Internet
> > > Explorer on Windows. Is there some linux distribution that has
> > > solved this annoying problem.
> >
> > Tell RH to set up true font server. My browser is as good as Windows.
> >
> >
>
> What version of Red Hat did you use. If you go to www.microsoft.com,
> do those fonts come in just as good as internet explorer?
>
>
>
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From: "Fred Mertz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setting time.
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:29:02 GMT
Want the date/time to be correct? Try "rdate -s tick.mit.edu" (or whatever
time server you want).
Fred
"bobk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am running Storm flavored Linux, and ,this may sound pretty
> dumd, but I can't figgure out how to set the time...On my Red
> Hat, it is right in system...also SUSI is the same
> problem....Please feel free to laugh, as you explain this to
> me....Thanks....bobk
>
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:15:35 -0500
Matthew Lee wrote:
>
> I'm having trouble setting up a Linux FTP server. Does anyone know
> anything about this?
http://www.proftp.net
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From: Hendrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Setting console fonts...
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:02:39 -0230
Hi guys,
How can I set the font size for my console...!!! I used to do it in DOS
with the 'mode' command... Any such command, utility, or setting to use
for linux... Thanks,
--
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A+, Network+ Certified
======================
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Subject: Re: Weird email to FETCHMAIL-DAEMON (long)
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:00:00 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
' I assume you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED], since that's what=
' I see in the messages.
Yep. A recurring typo.
' One thing that might help is to examine what happens when your systems
' (both the ISP that hosts your david-steuber.com domain and your local
' system) receives e-mail addressed to FETCHMAIL-DAEMON. I was getting
' messages double-bounced to root because FETCHMAIL-DAEMON was a
' non-existant user on my system at one time. I've now got Fetchmail
' configured to re-write outgoing headers so that the username
' FETCHMAIL-DAEMON doesn't appear in my outgoing mail; it's rewritten to
' postmaster. Alternatively, you could create an account called
' FETCHMAIL-DAEMON and monitor its incoming messages.
fetchmail has a -v option which can be doubled. Last time I tried
that, a while ago, I only recall seeing the conversation with the POP3 =
server and not the local MTA.
' If Sendmail refuses to accept a message (say because it thinks the
' message is a relay), then Fetchmail will return the message to the
' sender via whatever route it's configured to use, using the
' FETCHMAIL-DAEMON account. This can get quite confusing. Fetchmail's
' error messages aren't always very informative. For instance, I've got
' some anti-spam measures on my Postfix configuration (the equivalent of
' Sendmail in your setup). If Postfix spots certain key words or phrases,=
' it bounces the mail. On the return mail seen by the recipient, the clai=
m
' is that the message was too long. I now suspect that something like thi=
s
' is happening with you, but I don't know precisely what the cause is.
That could be happening, I don't know. I found this in the fetchmail
man page under ``Spam Filtering'':
Mail that is spam-blocked triggers an RFC1892 bounce mes=AD
sage informing the originator that we do not accept mail
from it.
I do _not_ want to bounce mail. I do not know how to turn off this
feature.
' So I think it is Fetchmail that's generating the spam message. I can
' think of four possibilities:
' =
' 1) There's some poorly-documented anti-spam feature of Fetchmail
' of which you've run afoul;
' 2) You've set some anti-spam measure in Fetchmail and aren't aware
' of the fact;
' 3) Fetchmail or Sendmail is rejecting the message for some non-spam
' reason, but Fetchmail is mistakenly including the spam message;
' 4) There's a bug in Fetchmail that's causing it to reject messages
' and claim that they're spam.
' =
' My hunch is that, from the Fetchmail rejection, the mail is getting
' bounced around several times because of the fact that two protocols (PO=
P
' and SMTP), several mail servers, a (presumably) bogus FETCHMAIL-DAEMON
' address, and a bogus localhost.localdomain hostname are all involved,
' leading to the tangled mess you've got that looks like old BASIC
' "spaghetti code" look clear.
'
' If I had to wager, I'd say that #3 above is correct. I can't say I know=
' why the message is being rejected, but I suspect that's it. I gather
' that this problem occurs with only some messages. Is that correct? Have=
' you been able to isolate specific cases that cause the problem, such as=
' e-mail from specific domains? If you can reproduce it at will, I'd say
' you might want to try using an experimental approach to isolate the
' problem by simplifying your configuration, increasing debugging output,=
' and changing key aspects of the original message until you can track it=
' down.
I've not been able to find a reproducible case. It happens from time
to time, and these strange messages from BA telling me that their spam =
filter has bounced a message back to me are disturbing. I don't want
BA accusing me of sending spam when fetchmail trys to do a bounce to a =
non-existant domain or address.
' I don't think it's BA that's bouncing the mail. It looks to me like BA
' only gets involved when your local Fetchmail bounces the mail (itself o=
r
I agree. The thing I am trying to figure out is why fetchmail does
the bounce and how to stop it. If I could just figure out how
/etc/sendmail.cf works, a monster of a file, I might be able to refuse =
to forward messages from FETCHMAIL-DAEMON.
' because your local Sendmail bounces the mail). After all, the mail was
' addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is your non-BA ISP. That=
' mail gets fetched by Fetchmail and doesn't touch BA's mail server (just=
' BA's DSL network). Only after something on your system bounces the mail=
' does BA's mail server see it, and by that time the bounce has corrupted=
' the address -- the message that identifies the mail as spam bears a "To=
"
' address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] BA therefore bounces that
' message, apparently back to your non-BA ISP, then back through
' Fetchmail, which at least accepts the bounce.
I think the precise chain of events goes something like this:
1) fetchmail picks up mail from my POP3 accounts;
2) fetchmail sends each message to david@localhost via port 25
3) something unwanted happens
4) fetchmail sends a bounce message via port 25 on localhost
5) sendmail forwards bounce message to smtpout.bellatlantic.net
6) smtp.bellatlantic.net sends a bounce message to a POP3 account
at david-steuber.com
7) return to 1
' Again, although I'm ready to cast lots of blame on BA for many things
' (they're my *FORMER* ISP ;-) ), I think they're blameless in this one.
I agree.
' Have you tried the "set no bouncemail" option? That should direct error=
s
' to the local postmaster rather than the sender, which should at least
' simplify the headers. You might also want to check the Fetchmail
' documentation with respect to anti-spam measures. I've not yet studied
' it very closely, but there is an option that affects what sorts of MTA
' error messages it interprets as spam blocks. If Sendmail is rejecting
' the message for some reason that Fetchmail is mis-interpreting as a spa=
m
' block, you can at least use these Fetchmail options to eliminate the
' misleading spam message.
Ah! ``set nobouncemail'' is listed waaaaaaaaayyyyyy down in the
fetchmail man page. I just put this in my ~/.fetchmailrc file.
Postmaster is set to david, so I should get the bounce.
' Is it possible that Sendmail is refusing the message because of the
' bogus Sender: line? If Sendmail bounced the message for this reason and=
' Fetchmail interpreted this as an anti-spam measure, everything else
' would fall into place. Reconfigure Sendmail to accept mail from bogus
' Sender: addresses and all the problems will go away. Unfortunately, I
' can't offer any advice on this, since I find Sendmail configuration to
' be 50% voodoo, which is why I use Postfix. You might want to dig into
' your Sendmail configuration, or if you've been considering replacing it=
' for other reasons, do so and see what happens.
I don't know. The /etc/sendmail.cf file is large. Really large. The =
comments don't help me a whole lot. But I don't think I have any
rules for bouncing mail. Then again, fetchmail should only send a
bounce when sendmail refuses to accept delivery. So I need to find
good online documentation for sendmail.cf so that I can find the rule
and force sendmail to accept all mail for local accounts. In the case =
of mail destined elsewhere, which should never, ever happen, I would
like it directed to the david account. The only mail that should be
relayed out of my LAN to BA is mail that I send from my own IPs ( I
use private 10.n.n.n addresses for my machines ).
What is most puzzling to me is that in ~/fetchmail.rc, I have that
line ``user there is david here'' for each POP3 account. All mail
should be sent to david by fetchmail. There should be no way for
someone to force fetchmail into being an open relay for uce.
-- =
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: getting rid of Linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:00:00 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' How on earth do I get Linux OFF my computer?
Use FDISK, just like with any other operating system you want to get
rid of. Don't forget fdisk /MBR to get rid of the boot partition.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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