Linux-Misc Digest #935, Volume #24 Sun, 25 Jun 00 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: kppp? (Vadim)
Re: Who is loading the system and why? (J Bland)
Re: linux as a client :-( (Rod Smith)
Gnome and GTK+ Themes (Cory)
Re: linux as a client :-( (Rod Smith)
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (Tim Palmer)
Re: loadlin setup: win98 boots despite choosing linux in menu (Ted)
Re: Shell scripting and chmod +s (John Reiser)
Re: Just a little drawing heralding the arrival of Windows ME *shudder* -
dclareg032.jpg (0/1) (Rod Smith)
Re: WordPerfect 8: icons mangled (Rod Smith)
Re: loadlin setup: win98 boots despite choosing linux in menu (David Turley)
No space left on device (Anthony Tekatch)
Reading Lotus files under Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Setting console fonts... ("Philip A. Chapman")
Re: [JOB] Debian installer needed near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. ("Andrew E.
Schulman")
Re: Limiting processes per user ("David ..")
Re: Just a little drawing heralding the arrival of Windows ME *shudder* -
dclareg032.jpg (0/1) (Dwayne)
Re: VB6 + access to something on linux ("Philip A. Chapman")
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From: Vadim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kppp?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:00:15 GMT
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RaySeb wrote:
> Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I am using mandrake 6.0. When I
> start kppp on a kde session I get a message that the modem is busy. It use
> to dial up the ISP and then start netscape for me. I would appreciate it if
> anyone knows how I can get kppp to again dial up my ISP. Thanks Ray.
This is something that I'd like to know too. But I use SuSE Linux 6.0
Dialing with a script works, but kppp does not work at all. (Modem busy)
--
Vadim
www.geocities.com/wadimt (creatures site, not finished yet)
ICQ 71242087
"Wisdom begins in wonder" (Socrates)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: Who is loading the system and why?
Date: 25 Jun 2000 18:53:29 GMT
>Solo has X11 up (looks like KDE), interloper does not. The X server has
>a loop (as does most of the X11 clients), that is periodically checking
>to see if the silly user has moved the mouse, clicked a button, or typed
>a key on the keyboard. These loops are not *individually* cpu bound, but
>there is some cumulatively cpu and I/O usage. So, 10 processes using
I sincerely doubt that standard X apps and WMs would, at rest, amount to a
LA of 1 in the manner you describe. When my server here is running *7*
desktops across the network the LA barely gets above 0.10. There is
something running that's not functioning correctly or is being blocked from
doing so.
LA is coming to an exact integer on an idle machine == 1 process is
malfunctioning or running flat out (either in cpu or IO space). If it was
a cumulative effect it would be bizarre coincidence that'd lead to 1.0 1.0
1.0 LA.
Frinky
ps Try to only quote what is pertinent, not the full output from 2 ps auxs
and 2 netstats etc.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: linux as a client :-(
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:15:16 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Fred Mertz wrote:
>
>> RedHat (and most other distributions) support TrueType fonts. If you
>> download and install the Microsoft fonts (Arial, Verdana, etc.), then your
>> browser on Linux should look very similar to your browser under Windows.
>
> You can just copy them from Window font directories. I read somewhere that
> the fonts are copyrighted. So you can't legally use them in non-Window
> systems. I am still waiting for my personal letter from M$ legal department.
Microsoft has made a number of fonts available for use by all, although
they do have a non-redistribution clause. These fonts are at:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm
Among other things, Microsoft states "anyone can download and install
these fonts for their own use." They do restrict distribution of the
fonts with products, so Red Hat (for example) can't legally distribute
them with Red Hat Linux. I haven't read the whole agreement carefully
lately, but I don't recall anything forbidding the use of those fonts
under Linux.
That said, this only applies to those fonts on Microsoft's web site,
including Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Andale Mono, Verdana,
Georgia, Comic Sans, and Trebuchet. If you've got fonts installed in
Windows from some other source (Bitstream, Adobe, Microsoft, whoever),
you're bound by their license terms and the laws of your country.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: Cory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnome and GTK+ Themes
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:19:40 GMT
Hello,
I just upgraded to Gnome 1.2 (Non-Helix, doesn't support Mandrake 6.0),
and I have a bit of a problem with it. It works just fine as gar as
usability, but it chokes over some GTK+ themes, particularly any themes
that change the text color in dialogs. It refuses to honor these
colors, but all other GTK+ programs work just fine.
All of the text colors in Gnome will only display as black, regardless
of what the theme tells them to. Also, the lines separating items in a
list only displays white. All other color changes don't seem to work
either. This is really annoying since I want to use a rather dark
theme, and can't see it with the text as black.
Any ideas?
I'm running Mandrake 6.0 with an interesting Gnome setup that was
scrounged together from a Mandrake 7.0 intall. It works just fine
asside from the colors.
Please help.
Cory
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: linux as a client :-(
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:39:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> RPM may be GPL, but many programs in RPM are not.
If a program was GPL before being released by Red Hat in RPM format,
then it's GPL in RPM format, too. For instance, if I write FooWord and
release it under the GPL, Red Hat may make changes to it and release it
as an RPM, but that RPM file -- and Red Hat's changes -- are covered by
the GPL.
> There are enough custom
> changes to stop them from running in non-RH systems.
In my experience, this is very seldom true. Most programs that are so
afflicted are daemons, and the only reason they don't run is because the
startup scripts assume they're starting on a Red Hat system. Change the
startup scripts and the programs run again.
Of course, you WILL have problems if the binary was compiled for
libraries that aren't present, such as a glibc program on a libc5
system. That's true of RPM packages, Debian packages, tarballs, or
any other binary format.
> RH extensions are
> spread all over in different libraries. Why else can they charge $150 for
> supports of RH locked-in systems?
They charge for support, but so do lots of other companies and
individuals, many of whom offer support for Red Hat systems.
Sorry, your arguments don't make sense. You certainly have a right to
dislike Red Hat, and I'm not going to argue that Red Hat is without
flaws, but you're accusing Red Hat of things they do not -- and legally
may not -- do. Please be more precise in your arguments against Red Hat.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: 25 Jun 2000 15:41:44 -0500
On 19 Jun 2000 15:42:22 EDT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT, Oliver Baker
><<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>>Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
>>article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
>
>Interesting.
>
>>The business people at this
>>company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
>>costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
>>because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
>>help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
>>staff.
>>
>>1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
>>if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
>
>Not really, at least not in the short term. Free help from Usenet is a
>mixed bag. Sometimes you get exactly what you're looking for right away,
>sometimes you get misleading information, sometimes you get flames,
>sometimes you get completely ignored. Also, in the beginning of the
>switchover, there would be a big need for some support staff onsite/easily
>reachable as lots of users/admins run into common problems and/or get
>confused.
>
>After users settle in and get used to reading man pages/HTML docs,
...and after they get used to using ^P, ^N, ^B, and ^F insted of the arrow
keys, and after they get used
to having PgUp and PgDown only work sometiems, and after they get used
to using DEL insted of BACKSPACE and
after they get used to waiting for Netscape and after they get used to
tiping "mount" befoar loding a CD....
>support costs would
...go thru the roof. Youd shure make the UNIX gooru's happy, but the normle users
will hate halving to rede MAN pages all the time and use VI to eddit text
files.
>drop. I think companies could have fewer people, but they
>might need more competent people. (2 Unix BOFH-types at $90,000 each is
>less expensive than 6 tech-support Bobs at $30,000 each, factoring in
>health insurance/benefits/etc.) ICBW on all that, of course.
But you'd nead 20 teck-support Bob's to handel all the users hoo are going to be
calling to ask how to do things that wer eesy for them on Windos.
>
>>2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
>>numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
>>at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
>>generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
>>kindness of strangers.
>
>Good question. <soapbox>I believe that I am *required* to help people
>with Linux support, as my code's full of nasty quick hacks and I'm too
Doant' beet yourself up. Everyother Open Sore's programmer's coad is full
of nasty hack's and bugs to
Lie-nux is all maid up of nasty hack's thats' why it sucks so mutch.
>poor to give loads of cash to the FSF, yet I need to give back to the
>community in some way. As such, if I can help somebody, I will, whether
>they're Joe Home User or Jane Corporate User. Linux has been built on a
>culture of altruism and knowledge-sharing; we should keep it up as much as
>possible and encourage those who've learned something to share it.
></soapbox>
>
>That said, I'd be more motivated, less sarcastic/bitchy, and able to help
>more people if somebody were paying me by the hour to solve Linux
>problems.
>
Maybe youd be abal to rite better coad to.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted)
Subject: Re: loadlin setup: win98 boots despite choosing linux in menu
Date: 25 Jun 2000 19:30:23 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Turley) uttered in comp.os.linux.misc:
>On 25 Jun 2000 04:29:06 GMT, Ted apparently wrote:
>
>>
>> When I boot the system, I get a menu, as desired. However, Win98
>> boots even if I choose the Linux option. I have doublechecked every
>> filename and all of the syntax can't seem to get this to work. I
>> tried eliminating the bootopts.txt file and adding that information to
>> config.sys, as directed by the loadlin manual pages. I know loadlin
>> itself is not the problem - does anyone know what I can do? I suspect
>> something is configured somewhere in Win98 that needs to be changed.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ted Schuman
>
>Copy my example at http://www.binary.net/dturley/linux/easylinux.html
>
>
Thanks for the idea, but this was essentially what I have been doing. I copied
your file verbatim but again the computer boots into windows when I choose the
Linux option.
Ted Schuman
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From: John Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shell scripting and chmod +s
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:50:27 -0700
> #include <stdlib.h>
>
> int main(void) {
>
> system("/usr/local/bin/yourshellscript");
>
> return 0;
>
> }
Or, you can save a fork() by using something like
=====
#include <unistd.h>
int main(int argc, char const *const argv[], char const *const envp[])
{
return execve("/usr/local/bin/yourshellscript", argv, envp);
}
=====
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Just a little drawing heralding the arrival of Windows ME *shudder* -
dclareg032.jpg (0/1)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:53:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dwayne) writes:
> Sorry bud. I thought someone may appreciate this in linux.misc. There
> is usually a lot of leeway in misc groups. I couldn't find a linux
> binary or linux humour group. Please forgive my rudeness.
Your binary doesn't seem to have made it to my server. Perhaps it's been
killed.
With VERY few exceptions, binaries *SHOULD NEVER BE POSTED* to text
newsgroups, be they .misc or not. If you want to share a binary, post
it to a binary newsgroup or put it up on an FTP or web server. If it's
on-topic, a posting announcing the presence of the binary is OK in a
text newsgroup. I suspect that an announcement concerning your image is
NOT on-topic in the comp.os.linux.misc newsgroup, though. It may be OK
in comp.os.linux.advocacy, but without seeing it I really can't be
sure.
The rules concerning binary postings are not arbitrary. Many news
servers operate with very little leeway for the amount of disk space
consumed per group per day. A single binary posting can consume more
disk space (and network bandwidth) than the rest of the group for that
day, depending upon the group and the size of the binary. Abuse of this
nature can cause serious problems on some news servers, and can
potentially cause a news administrator to drop a group. That's why
people who inappropriately post binaries are frequently flamed
mercilessly.
BTW, it's also considered pretty rude to completely mask your e-mail
address. Address munging is officially not allowed but is informally
accepted, on the whole (some people may vehemently disagree, however).
When doing address munging, though, accepted practice is to provide some
way for a human to decipher the address -- usually a single line in the
signature.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8: icons mangled
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:56:17 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <C8r55.6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"G Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've installed WP8.0, personal (free) version. Both during installation,
> and when running the program after installation, the graphic icons are
> garbled and illegible. This is true both with the version of WP that comes
> with Mandrake 6.5, and with the version downloaded from Corel. My
> system: Mandrake 7.1, gnome 1.2, sawfish.
This problem is common with 24-bit displays, and occasionally with
32-bit displays. Try switching X to use a 16-bit display and see if it
goes away. (BTW, several other programs, including Netscape, suffer from
the same problem.)
Rumor had it that XFree86 4.0 would include a workaround for this
problem. I was under the impression that Mandrake 7.1 shipped with
XFree86 4.0. If so, and if that's what you're using, then obviously
this fix didn't arrive, which is unfortunate. If you're running XFree86
3.3.x and need a 24-bit display, though, you might consider upgrading
to XFree86 4.0.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: David Turley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: loadlin setup: win98 boots despite choosing linux in menu
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:58:23 -0400
On 25 Jun 2000 19:30:23 GMT, Ted apparently wrote:
> Thanks for the idea, but this was essentially what I have been doing. I copied
> your file verbatim but again the computer boots into windows when I choose the
> Linux option.
>
> Ted Schuman
Why don't you post your config.sys file?
--
David Turley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Anthony Tekatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No space left on device
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:43 GMT
Why do I get the "no space left on device" message if I try to copy
large files? I have checked the disk space (df -h) and inodes (df -i):
$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 9.1G 3.3G 5.4G 38% /
/dev/hdd2 286M 92M 194M 32% /mnt/shared
$ df -i
Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 2476032 174741 2301291 7% /
/dev/hdd2 0 0 0 0% /mnt/shared
$ pwd
/home/anthony
$ ls -al file.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 anthony anthony 1070961 May 31 20:38 file.txt
$ cp file.txt file2.txt
cp: file2.txt: No space left on device
--
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Reading Lotus files under Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:23:53 GMT
Hi,
I'd like to know if there is a way to read Lotus Approch files under
Linux.
Thank you in advance.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Philip A. Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Setting console fonts...
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:30:18 GMT
Uncle Meat wrote:
>
> On 25-Jun-2000 Hendrix opined:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > How can I set the font size for my console...!!! I used to do it in DOS
> > with the 'mode' command... Any such command, utility, or setting to use
> > for linux... Thanks,
>
> A 'vga=<some_number>' line in lilo.conf is what I use. If there're others,
> I dunno.
>
> --
> I believe the technical term is "Oops!"
In order to determine what vga setting to use you can set vga=ask in
your lilo.conf. Then when you figure out which setting you want to use,
you can change lilo.conf to vga=<some_number>. (Don't forget to run
lilo after changing lilo.conf so that the changes are written to your
boot record.)
There may be an easier way, but this is how I did it.
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [JOB] Debian installer needed near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:38:46 -0400
This is one of the stranger postings I've seen in newsgroups.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Limiting processes per user
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:28:00 -0500
Philip wrote:
>
> I am running a shellaccount server where I want to put a limit on the
> max number of processes per user. I'e already took a look at
> include/asm-i386/resource.h but I don't think that this will solve my
> problem.
>
> so I was thinking about a crontab script that checks every ten seconds
> for the number of processes per user.
>
> So in pseudo code ...
>
> allusers=get the list of all users
>
> x=0
> for allusers
> begin
> x = 0
> processes = ps aux | grep currentuser
> for all prcoesses
> begin
> increase x
> if x > 6 then kill -9 currectprocess
> end
> end
>
> But now in a correct bash shell script :) and in a crontab that happens
> each ten seconds.
>
> OR is there a WAY better solution for this? if so .. please inform me
> about it :)
Have you thought about using pam and /etc/security/limits.conf for a to
do this?
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dwayne)
Subject: Re: Just a little drawing heralding the arrival of Windows ME *shudder* -
dclareg032.jpg (0/1)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:54:08 GMT
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:53:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod
Smith) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dwayne) writes:
>> Sorry bud. I thought someone may appreciate this in linux.misc. There
>> is usually a lot of leeway in misc groups. I couldn't find a linux
>> binary or linux humour group. Please forgive my rudeness.
>killed.
>NOT on-topic in the comp.os.linux.misc newsgroup, though. It may be OK
>in comp.os.linux.advocacy, but without seeing it I really can't be
>sure.
>
>The rules concerning binary postings are not arbitrary. Many news
>servers operate with very little leeway for the amount of disk space
>consumed per group per day. A single binary posting can consume more
>disk space (and network bandwidth) than the rest of the group for that
>day, depending upon the group and the size of the binary. Abuse of this
>nature can cause serious problems on some news servers, and can
>potentially cause a news administrator to drop a group. That's why
>people who inappropriately post binaries are frequently flamed
>mercilessly.
>
>BTW, it's also considered pretty rude to completely mask your e-mail
>address. Address munging is officially not allowed but is informally
>accepted, on the whole (some people may vehemently disagree, however).
>When doing address munging, though, accepted practice is to provide some
>way for a human to decipher the address -- usually a single line in the
>signature.
Again I apologise. My e-mail address was clearly in the text body of
my original message. I get quite a bit of spam each day due to my
posts in the arts groups and my webspace, I really don't want to mung
my address it is just becoming very necessary.
I won't do this again. Very sorry.
Dwayne
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Philip A. Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VB6 + access to something on linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:58:54 GMT
Philip wrote:
>
> scot junkin wrote:
> >
> > I need to port a VB6 interface to an access database to RH6.2. Are
> > there any ways to interface with an acess database on linux? I need to
> > do this in C, so if anyone has any good references, would you please
> > pass them along?
> > Regards,
> > Scot
>
> There are scripts to convert an Access database to mySQL ...
> search http://www.mysql.com
>
I don't want to discourage you. I hope you are able to accomplish
whatever you are attempting to do here, but a few notes:
MS Access uses a proprietary database format which, as far as I am aware
cannot be read by any program/libraries yet developed for Linux. VB6,
also is a proprietary language for which there are no Linux equivilents.
I had to support database clients on Linux and Windows comming from an
MS Access environment. What I did was to convert the data tables to
MySQL (AS the previous poster suggested.) and developed the client with
Java and JDBC. Of course, java is slower than VB6 and can be a bigger
pain to support. To me, it seemed the least of evils. I think there
are some C or C++ GUI libraries that claim to be cross-compilable, but
I'm not very knowledgeable of them. Perhaps another poster can help you
a little further.
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