Linux-Misc Digest #583, Volume #25 Sun, 27 Aug 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Iomega zip /dev/sda to /dev/sdg ("Axel Scheepers")
Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Members of root group (Oscar Rau)
Re: Members of root group (Jerry L Kreps)
if I report a mount command bug, is it distribution specific? ("Dan Jacobson")
Re: Hidden Partition - shouldn't be! Can't boot. (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: Advice sought, (new user coming from OS/2) (Brian Goodyear)
Re: tar and time_t (Elliot)
Re: Bug in dynamic linker (Peter Petersen)
Re: How can I get/set maximum number of processes on RH6.0 (plus some (Jerry L
Kreps)
[Q] How to compile kernel in Debian / Storm (Jerome Mrozak)
Re: please help me get sound (Jerry L Kreps)
RE: Diskcopy ("Stuart Mika Hankel")
RE: Borland C++ for Linux ("Stuart Mika Hankel")
RE: Borland C++ for Linux ("Stuart Mika Hankel")
Re: FYA - Parody: Microsoft Pie (The Day the Servers Died) (Joe Kesselman)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Tad McClellan)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Tad McClellan)
Re: Dell PowerEdge 1300 / RAID1 / AIC7890 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
The Fine Manual's location (was: Diskcopy) (Dances With Crows)
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From: "Axel Scheepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Iomega zip /dev/sda to /dev/sdg
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:20:28 +0200
Hello everybody,
sometimes my ppa driver changes from /dev/sda to /dev/sdg, does anybody know
why this happens? It seems to occur after repartioning a zip disk with
/dev/sda1. Somehow this confises the driver wich (probably) expects
/dev/sda4...
I don't know, does anybody?
gr.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:12:03 +0800
Well, thanx but it didn't work. When i check the lilo version it was version
22. Currently, it's still stop at "LI..."
I am using 3 harddisks. 2 x IBM ATA66 2M @ 13.6G and 1 x Matrox ATA66 2M @
15G. The worst part is that my DOS partition (at drive C:, mine's dual
bootable) always get corrupted after i run /sbin/lilo and i have to fdisk
delete the partition and reformat it.
Could it be a case of BIOS? And my Linux distro is no difference to RH6.2.
Thank you again.
Regards
Damon
TongEng Chiah wrote:
> i think ur hardisk is bigger than 8.4Mb, and linux may have problem
> accessing beyond 1024 cylinders.
>
> to solve the problem, boot up using ur floppy
> edit the file /etc/lilo.conf
>
> there should be a option linear in the file, change it to lba32
> if not, just added lba32 in
> after that, do a
> /sbin/lilo
>
> reboot after that.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi, any help appreciated.......
> >
> > I'm currently using Gentus Linux GPL v3.0 with a dual Celeron ABIT BP-6
> > motherboard. I am using a boot floppy to boot into the system. My
> > regular LILO gets stuck at LI....and died. I'm using ATA66 harddisks
> > (and they are detected properly once we pass the initial boot sequence),
> > and i believe the kernel is already specially compiled in the CD to run
> > with ATA66.
> >
> > Am I missing something? There is also a problem when i use upgrade
> > option in the Gentus CD to upgrade to a higher version Linux(such as
> > from Gentus v1.0 to Gentus v3.0). It always get stuck, i suspect the
> > installer was unable to properly read the harddisk geometry.....and i
> > have to install as fresh. :-(
> >
> > Thank you for any help.
> >
> > Regards
> > Damon
> >
> > P.S. - Gentus distro is very similar to RedHat distro(actually i
> > believe it's exactly alike except with kernel compiled to handle UDMA
> > and some other special drivers).
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:33:55 +0000
From: Oscar Rau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Members of root group
I am planning to add some normal users to root group, so they can
analyze the root logs and later on be able to start some programs that
can be started only by root. If I do so, will this user be the same as root?
Can he/she create and delete filesystems or devices?
Thanks for any input.
--
Oscar Rau
osca003 at attglobal.net
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Members of root group
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:10:47 -0500
Oscar Rau wrote:
>
> I am planning to add some normal users to root group, so they can
> analyze the root logs and later on be able to start some programs that
> can be started only by root. If I do so, will this user be the same as root?
> Can he/she create and delete filesystems or devices?
>
> Thanks for any input.
> --
>
> Oscar Rau
> osca003 at attglobal.net
AFAIK, if a user is in root's group the userr has root's permissions.
It would be better to do something along these lines: create a separate
group (for example: logreaders) and add those users and root to that
group. Then change the ownership of those logs and selected programs to
root:logreaders and set permissions on each log or program
appropriately.
jlk
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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: if I report a mount command bug, is it distribution specific?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:02:30 +0800
I found that mount -h's output differs from the parameters on the mount
man page...
If I were just to send this to the Mandrake company, wouldn't that only
help one part of the linux world?
MOUNT(8) Linux Programmer's Manual MOUNT(8)
mount [-fnrsvw .... device | dir
# mount -h
Usage: mount [-hV]
mount -a [-nfFrsvw] [-t vfstypes]
mount [-nfrsvw] [-o options] special | node <--- not
'device | dir' as on man page; same problem with umount
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hidden Partition - shouldn't be! Can't boot.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:22:46 -0500
root wrote:
>
> Greetings. I have a dual boot setup with linux as default and win 98 as
> secondary(as it should be!). My boot manager is bootmagic.
> Some monkey was playing with the bootmagic setup and has somehow
> 'magically' hidden my primary partition so C: no longer exists - each of the
> consecutive drives have been renamed accordingly which means I am also having
> to floppy into linux.
> If I boot via win-floppy into DOS, and use Fdisk the C drive doesn't
> exist(non-DOS it says), but from linux /mnt/DOS_hda1/ I can still see all the
> structure etc in tact!
>
> Now. Seeing as I can' use windows or DOS to access bootmagic nor access
> windows itself to use some other software to make the partition visible again,
> can anyone offer a solution? Is there a linux proggy which can UN-hide my drive?
>
> Thanks in advance for saving my child's life.
>
> Shane/
You're using it! The Linux Fdisk program allows you to set partition
types. Reset it to a DOS type. Since you have to use a floppy to boot
into Linux anyway, you can run the DOS FDISK program to reset the Master
Boot Record with 'FDISK C: /MBR', then use LILO as your dual boot
controller. Better yet, reformat the Win98 partition as ext2! ;-)
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:24:18 -0400
From: Brian Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advice sought, (new user coming from OS/2)
Robert Morelli wrote:
>
> I guess I'd like to know 2 things. a) OS/2 has very good multitasking. I've
>heard claims
> to the same effect about Linux, but my personal experience so far doesn't
>confirm them.
> Do I need to take special care to avoid taxing Linux's multitasking abilities?
> Will this
> situation improve with 2.4? (Is anyone here honest enough to address this
>question without
> flames?)
I was an OS/2 user for about 6 years mostly because of it's stability
compared to Windows but when I switched to Linux in February I quickly
discovered that it was much stabler. I was using Object Desktop which
some say caused stability problems with OS/2 but I had reboot type
lockups several times a week if I did anything other than have 3 or 4
programs running. Netscape seemed to be the culprit at times also.
Netscape also freezes up at times in Linux but I can always just kill it
in a way that Process Commander and the like never were able to. It is
extremely rare that I have to reboot to clear up the machine and this
has happened twice in 6 months in both cases when I was testing beta
software.
I even have a program called Win4Lin which enables me to safely and
stably run any Windows program that I need, and it runs in a window on
the Linux desktop. This to me is the acid test.
Perhaps your installation is lacking something. I strongly reccommend
that you get an experienced Linux user to do the installation and run
you through the basics as it is quite different than OS/2. I for
example began installing programs in places that I now regret.
Brian
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From: Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tar and time_t
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:29:16 GMT
John Wingate wrote:
>
> > I would be grateful for an explanation of all of this - should I be
> > worried?
>
> Your error message has a 12-digit octal number corresponding to a
> date in the year 4134. Perhaps you should be worried.
>
Thanks John,
I have decided not to worry too much. By running tar is list mode I was
able to reproduce the errors and reveal that all were linked to files from
one user. All, in fact, were folders called .AppleDouble. The actual files
within the folders were fine. All these folders were created on the same
day (9/12/1999 - not 4134!). I believe they got to the server by ftp
(fetch - mac ftp client). I suppose it just buggered up that day.
Other .AppleDouble folders were okay.
Yeah, I will confine my worries to other matters!
Elliot
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From: Peter Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Bug in dynamic linker
Date: 27 Aug 2000 14:42:54 +0200
Charles Ju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Kevin Henry wrote
>
> > I have a similar situation problem, with RH 6.2 on a Sun Ultra 5. What's
> > your platform?
>
> I'm using Dell Inspiron 5000, RedHat 6.2.
> I found some references of the mentioned error in internet search, but no
> solution yet.
Hello!
This "bug in dynamic linker" problem seems to occur when you have
executables compiled with libraries which are (or part of them) no
longer there, which means that you have upgraded them (or part of them).
I once had the same problem with a self-compiled quakeforge (glquake)
executable, and I got aware that I had upgraded the libraries!
So I threw away the quakeforge executable and compiled it again with the
new libraries present.
Worked for me
Good luck
Peter Petersen
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: How can I get/set maximum number of processes on RH6.0 (plus some
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:48:31 -0500
You're dealing with kernel questions now.
The kernel can be instructed to limit a process's use of various
resources, including memory and CPU time. This is done with
sys_setrlimit, a function which can set RLIMIT_NPROC. Process-specific
limits are tracked in struct task_struct. In kernel/fork.c is the
kernel function shown below. You can check the header files included to
find the location of RLIMIT_NPROC.
int do_fork(unsigned long clone_flags, unsigned long usp, struct pt_regs
*regs)
{
<snip some code>
if (p->user) {
if (atomic_read(&p->user->count) >=
p->rlim[RLIMIT_NPROC],rlim_cur)
goto bad_fork_free;
}
If you change the limits in the header you will need to recompile the
kernel, of course.
There are several books which breakdown the kernel code and explain it.
The one I've been consulting to answer your question is:
Linux Core Kernel Commentary, by Scott Maxwell, from CoriolisOpen Press.
ISBN 1-57610-469-9
Good luck!
JLK
Fraser Adams wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Can anyone tell me how to find out the maximum number of processes
> supported on RH6.0. I wrote a little program that madly creates threads
> (just to see) and ran top. My program seems to stop creating when top reads
> 301 processes.
>
> Is there a place where I can read (preferably from withing a program) the
> process limit. I've looked through limits.h etc and although I can find a
> pthread limit of 1024 (In limits_local or something similar) I can't find a
> process limit (which in Linux threads I guess should be the same). I'd like
> to be able to increase the limit if possible too (unless this is a BAD
> idea - to many processes wasting time and all that).
>
> Secondly is there a similar place to find info on the maximum number of open
> file descriptors (and connected sockets if the number is different than the
> fd number).
>
> The reason for these questions is that I'm writing an application that is
> required to support *LOTS* of simultaneous connections (probably greater
> that 256 in and 256 out). Of course one standard way to support many
> connections is to create a new thread per connection, problem is that this
> starts to go a bit pear shaped when the numbers get big.
>
> I'd like to use a thread pool, but they only seem good if you want to limit
> the number of connections (say by running accept in the body of *n* threads
> where *n* is the max number of connections). The only other option I can see
> is to use non-blocking IO and select, which I'd rather not do if possible
> (it's not that I don't know how to more the case that I'd like to figure the
> problem out using threads first).
>
> Finally (yeah I know that I've gone a bit off the original heading :-) )
> does anyone know if there is any info available relating to the relative
> costs of various glibc functions and their thread-safe equivalents -
> allocating memory seems to be the worst culprit (unsurprisingly) but I'd
> kind of like to know so that I can pre-allocate and pre-whatever if posible
> to minimise the real run-time overheads of using threads.
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers to the above.
>
> Best regards to all, Fraser.
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From: Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: [Q] How to compile kernel in Debian / Storm
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:47:29 -0500
I'd like to try using Storm Linux on my laptop, a Debian-derived
distro. One problem I'm having is that apmd isn't supported in the
"potato" kernel. I'm having trouble finding the packages to compile it.
For example, the Debian recommened packages for compiling is the combo
of "make-kpkg" and "kernel-package". I can't seem to find them on my
Stormix hail ISO, and wasn't able to coerce the SPS system to find them
on my Debian potato ISO. (I simply mounted the potato disk and told SPS
to Find "kernel". It appeared to use a pre-loaded list of packages,
rather than investigate my newly-loaded CD.)
I also tried to find the files for "make menuconfig", "make xconfig" and
"make config", but with no success (most advice said to look in
/usr/src/linux, which didn't exist in my Stormix "install everything"
installation).
So how can I add apmd support?
TIA,
Jerome.
--
Jerome Mrozak "Never buy a dog and bark for yourself"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] --"Slippery" Jim DiGriz
(the Stainless Steel Rat)
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: please help me get sound
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:57:02 -0500
John Lunney wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> I use Debian. I have a Vibra 16. How do I get sound into the kernel?
> John
At http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html is a list of supported cards. I
believe your's is on it. Download their free OSS sound driver and check
it out. If it works you can buy the full boat. My distro, SuSE comes
with unlimited version of OSS on it. Didn't yours?
JLK
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From: "Stuart Mika Hankel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Diskcopy
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:04:57 GMT
Thanks for the tip. What is the Fine Manual? Where can i get it?
Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:08:29 GMT, Stuart Mika Hankel wrote:
> >Hi. Does anyone know about making a copy of a floppy under Linux SuSE
6.4? I
> >need to backup the LILO diskette.
> >Thanks.
>
> This is covered in the Fine Manual; be sure to Read it.
>
> (insert disk to be copied)
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppyimage bs=18k
> (eject old disk, insert new disk)
> dd if=floppyimage of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k
>
> This performs a sector-by-sector copy of the disk. This is necessary
> when making copies of boot disks, but for disks that merely contain
> data, you can just mount the floppy and use cp as usual. "man dd" if
> you want to know what's really going on.
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to
see
> Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
> http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> -----------------------------/ --Henry Spencer
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From: "Stuart Mika Hankel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Borland C++ for Linux
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:07:29 GMT
Where can i get the KDK?
Thanks for the input.
D. C. & M. V. Sessions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje de
noticias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Stuart Mika Hankel wrote:
> >
> > Hello. Does anyone know of a version for Linux for development in C? I
mean
> > an environment for debugging, like Borland C++ for DOS.
> > Thanks
>
> Timeframe matters. Borland/Inprise is getting ready to release
> Kylix (the be-all and end-all of IDEs for Linux) Real Soon Now.
> If you need something sooner, there are others such as KDK.
>
> --
> | Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. |
> | Do you want to be a problem? |
> | D. C. Sessions === [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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From: "Stuart Mika Hankel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Borland C++ for Linux
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:09:27 GMT
Any direction to go to? I don't know where to start searching for Linux
software. Do you know of a special ftp or something similar?
Mr. Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Stuart Mika Hankel wrote:
> >
> > Hello. Does anyone know of a version for Linux for development in C? I
mean
> > an environment for debugging, like Borland C++ for DOS.
> > Thanks
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> You can try the GNU C++ compiler and the UPS debugger.
> There is also the Code Crusader editor that has an integrated debugger
add-on.
> They're all free off the Web.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:07:49 -0400
From: Joe Kesselman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.2600,rec.humor
Subject: Re: FYA - Parody: Microsoft Pie (The Day the Servers Died)
Brief rant and then I'll shut up:
> 1. On a desktop, it doesn't matter if the system crashes occasionally.
Sorry, but I've lost a half-hour's worth of essentially unrecoverable
creative writing just Once Too Many Times to buy that.
> Moore's law applies. So bloatware isn't quite as bad as it appears.
That's all that's made it _tolerable_. It doesn't make it desirable. I
wouldn't mind if all the bloat was buying us features, or even buying us
faster and cheaper reliable development. But see point (1) -- it ain't;
much of what it's buying them is faster _sloppy_ development.
I'm sorry, but NT is still Not There. The best that can be said for it
is that Microsoft's other offerings are worse, and that it probably
still has more device drivers written for it than for the alternatives.
--
======================================================
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but you can check out next year's schedule at
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tad McClellan)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:59:30 -0400
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:27:47 +1000, Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> It seems that too many people are so worked up about the XML format that
>> they are crediting it with magical properties.
>
>Yeh, there seems to be a lot of hype. I guess it's the new toy syndrome.
^^^^^^^
Structured markup is not new. It is (at least) 20 *years* old.
I am dumbfounded that most everybody thinks that XML is
"something new"...
So it isn't really "new toy" syndrome, it is more like
"a very old toy that I just now discovered" syndrome :-)
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tad McClellan)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:02:04 -0400
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:17:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
>
>And that give him the perfect qualifications to determine what developers
>should be doing. Read a little about the latest fad, like XML,
>understanding less than half of the information, credit it with magical
>properties to solve all ills and then direct developers to make it work
>somehow. Sounds familiar?
Someone (name Scott, perhaps?) could get rich from a
comic strip that characterized that situation :-)
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dell PowerEdge 1300 / RAID1 / AIC7890
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:44:05 GMT
In article <39a84df6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Dan Trainor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
> Today, I tried to update the kernel from the default RH6.2 kernel
> (2.2.14-50) to 2.2.16. Everything went fine during the compile and
install,
> and I got no errors, which really baffels me. WHen I tried rebooting
with
> that new kernel, it almost gets done loading, but then stalls with
this
> error message:
>
> request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted
> VFS: Cannot open root device 8:01
> Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 8:01
It depends on which Raid-adapter you use.
If you have the PERC 2/SC or PERC 2/DC adapter the problem could be
that you've forgot to make a new initrd file.
If you have PERC 2, PERC 2/Si, 3/Si or 3/Di I suggest that (if you
haven't already) download the rh62erk.zip file from the Dell file
library and read the errata documentation located in that file.
Search by exact filename.
You can check which adapter you use by looking at the bootup which
controller it presents or in /proc/scsi.
In linux if it says megaraid it's the first adapter (Perc 2/sc,2/dc),
if it says percraid you have one of the other.
/Fredrik
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: The Fine Manual's location (was: Diskcopy)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 15:03:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:04:57 GMT, Stuart Mika Hankel wrote:
>Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
>> This is covered in the Fine Manual; be sure to Read it.
>Thanks for the tip. What is the Fine Manual? Where can i get it?
If you bought a boxed distro, there should be a thick paper manual
included. These vary in quality, but should be looked at nontheless.
Every distro should have a set of instructions under /usr/doc/howto/ ,
and if there aren't any there, http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/ and
http://linuxnewbie.org/ can also provide invaluable advice. "man"
is also a very useful command; "man man" will give you information about
the "man" command.
--
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Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
=============================/ ==Henry Spencer
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