On Saturday, December 18, 2010, Ohad Ben-Cohen wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Johannes Berg
> <johan...@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 18:00 +0200, Ohad Ben-Cohen wrote:
> >
> >> > That's where the problem is.  If there's a difference, from the driver's
> >> > point of view, between suspend and some other operation, there should be 
> >> > a
> >> > way to tell the driver what case it actually is dealing with.
> >>
> >> Yes, the problem will be solved if the driver would bypass the runtime
> >> PM framework on system suspend. mac80211 obviously has this
> >> information, and technically it's very easy to let the driver know
> >> about it.
> >>
> >> But the difference between suspend and normal operation is really
> >> artificial: in both cases mac80211 just asks the driver to power its
> >> device down, and the end result is exactly the same (a GPIO line of
> >> the device is de-asserted in our case). The difference between these
> >> two scenarios
> >> exist only because runtime PM is effectively disabled during system
> >> suspend, and therefore the driver has to look for an alternative way
> >> to power down the device.
> >
> > Sounds to me like the difference isn't really in the driver, but the
> > core PM subsystem. Why does it care when powering off a device whether
> > it's during suspend, or during runtime?
> 
> Agree.
> 
> If we can add a dev_pm_info bit, that would allow using runtime PM API
> during suspend/resume transitions, the driver will not have to care.
> 
> Rafael what do you think ? Is that totally unacceptable ?

Already said.  It is not acceptable at all.

Thanks,
Rafael
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