-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mark Symonds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Worthless Without Documentation


>> been getting ridiculous.  For example I installed OpenSSL
>> and the docs basically said "read the source".  Lame.
>
>rpm --install OpenSSL*
>
>Thats how end users see it.
>

Using debian here so it was apt-get install ssleay.  That was the
easy part.

>For the QoS stuff its right now at 'where is the config tool'
>
>Both are extremely complex subsystems. Both need a friendly interface,
>and in the QoS case explaining real QoS assumes a lot of mathematical
>background, so you really dont want to know if it works or how.
>

Agreed.  But it is an impossible waste of time to even attempt
using if it doesn't have documentation.  I like examples the best.
Also, users should not be expected to read C in order to get
something done.  I know that for you it is easy, but for most of us
C is still an encrypted language.  The comments aren't enough.

Software without documentation quickly flies into the unuseable
world, and software that is not useable is about as useful as
a hog in a whorehouse.  :)

>For simple setups shaper is trivial and works well (someone has it
>doing DS3 now btw by using the rtc)
>

Looks like a great tool but I'm trying to use the new routing stuff
to route packets by source.  I would like to have packets from
computer A go through interface one, and packets from computer B
go through interface two etc.

Don't get me wrong, when it comes to the cuff I'm very much there
for open source and free software.  I guess I'm not as smart as most
guys on this list but I know that it's the right way.  That said, could we
please get a documentation effort underway for 2.4?  It is sorely needed
for the userspace.  I mailed the list about this but didn't recv a response.

I'm willing to document everything myself and make all of the manpages
if need be.  Let's just get it done, I'm sure it would take < week to get
something out there and put into the package if some real effort was
put into it.

--
Mark




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