-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > -----Original Message----- > From: Tuukka Toivonen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... > This goes a bit offtopic, but it interests me so much... indeed > On Tue, 9 May 2000, DEMERRE DIETER wrote: > > > Remember *all* web-pages are (mentioned or not) copyrighted by > > their > > Yes, as long as the page is complex enough (<i>hello</i> or > something is > hardly complex enough, at least by Finnish law) Remember also you cannot copyright an idea. And indeed there has to be a part of originiality in it. Striktly a phone-index is NOT considered copyrighted, but if I remember well (I really *should* check those notes again) it IS protected if there's proof of "enough effort" to collect the data. I wonder if in the mean time there's legislation defined (in Europe, Belgium or the State) that effectively protects databases. My knowledge is dated 1996. > > original creator and thus normaly to store a digital copy for > > future usage could infringe the copyright-rules. > > The copy is necessarily done by simply processing and viewing a web > page. The remote server sends a copy of the page (which is ok ... > Even if the original copy is destroyed, it doesn't make any > more legal to > do new copies of the material. Even if you think so, the www page > will almost certainly be saved to browser's cache on hard disk. ... > 1. Assuming that all the above /is/ legal, why the heck saving a > more permanent copy to hard disk would not be? Can anyone explain? > (either by US law or Finnish law :) > > 2. Assuming that even viewing (=accessing from your computer) > www pages > is /not/ legal, then we all are criminals. Indeed, but I'm pretty sure the legislator has considered this and made correct formulation where needen. I think it's something like "necessary copies for viewing purpose" that are allowed The intention why a copy is created is important here. > 3. Assuming the third possibility, that viewing www pages is legal > but saving to disk is not, is a threat for information. In the > old days (and > still nowadays) when information was on paper, like mags, a > lot of people Most pages explicitely allow copying (permanent storage) for personal usage, but prohibit further publishing. I don't know exactly what it is. > subscribed to them and got a legal copy. The (written) information > was saved along with the mags and it was unlikely that everybody > would have > destroyed their copy. Example: after a legal battle, the trademark > "Linux" was assigned to Linus by using as proof old issues of Linux > Journal. > > Increasingly in future more publications will go online. But if it > is illegal to save permanently a copy of a web page to disk, then > the information will disappear forever when the server crashes, > the company > goes out of business, or a lot of other things. Libraries are > unable to > save the information either (they have to respect copyright > law too). Therefore this possibility -- legal to view but not save > -- is a threat (for history, sciences, etc...) ... > (Well, I guess I'm a little politically GNU-biased ;) Meuh !:) ******* Groetjes vanwege ***** Greetings From ******* Dieter Demerre - http://www.angelfire.com/de/ddemerre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQEVAwUBORj3+uH7QfvhLrpDAQHhKwgAhQKHS6WLRi/+0qQSlXss25DFng8Xaklu JSJ+TFakSesroPkMkzWaKz658YiSMECBNJ2XteoiJztnYtMeoyYms91/k1UG6Rqa e0UO0YiGXDygu5K9WWedpMrg2r3pByoIOv5wZtNxdo/miJCrabwfSQ2V6i/OuMeC 6Z8Vl5XE76FuwabWrKvgE5mdZvWJrRVeu3SsGp+acsctNYWg3cTWF5n/SViyWQ4r PABXUw2OKa/mrS9pMN8SKBmpNAQWVSC319SvZuATldnhGQ7gpdwutYM1RRqYBfRk 7Ix9msNuQ8jzVFSJnaupMymYqY6HsQgpzig59/QjQEDSoPZFuu4RaA== =OljI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-net" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
