On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Heimo Claasen wrote:

> Sorry for the "convoluted style", James - perhaps it stems from trying
> not to get entagled with terms I'm not too sure about.
>
It's actually entertaining most of the time.  Sometimes your meaning is a
bit obscure, though.  In any case, I'm not asking you to change it.  I may
just need to ask for additional clarification at times.
>
> I'm searching for a good "visual" analogy - maybe fishing from a boat
> could be, the boat being the "user" floating on the "System" waters, the
> rod the "application": Usually, you would anchor somewhere, cast with the
> rod, and draw whatever is hooked towards the boat; the boat wouldn't
> move.  Not so in Linux waters - if the bait is hooked (most probably on
> the branch of a file-tree under the surface, <bg>) the boat is drawn
> there and "anchored" _there_.  So you're not allowed to cut that
> submarine branch - this would set the boat adrift -, you first have to
> lift the anchor and fasten the boat elsewhere. And someone else may be
> fishing there too, and having been hooked up at the same invisible
> branch. So this "user" has to move his booat too first, before you
> may take a dive and tear the dang branch out of the water to recover
> your precious bait.
>
That's a really intersting and helpful analogy, Heimo.  Here's a question
relative to it: do you think the "umount -l" command that works with
2.4.10 kernels and later, might have been introduced in response to this
"shortcoming" (a relative assessment, I know) of the Linux mode of
operation?  Likewise, would it adequately resolve the problem for your
usage (if you use the required kernel, that is)?

James
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