Alan Stern wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, John O'Donnell wrote:
Anyway, but I get sidetracked. Unmounting? I have been admin + programming Unix variants for 20 years ;-) Slackware Linux is my only OS at the moment. Yes I am careful plus I use the "sync" option so I dont have to wait when I unmount for the buffers to flush.


That quite likely is your problem.  "sync" doesn't mix well with flash
devices like MP3 players.  Also, the behavior of the VFAT filesystem
driver with regard to the "sync" option changed around the time frame you
mentioned (2.6.12 or so).  For more information, look here:

        http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4882


I am gonna erase the FS since this is the messed up one and let the iRiver format itself. Unplug. Format. 100%. Rebooting iRiver. No Files. Replug and lets rock!

fstab:
/dev/sde        /mnt/iriver     vfat            noauto,sync

all the dmesg output is getting sent to /usr/adm/debug I see...
909.3 MB 164k/sec?!? 1 hour 34 mins?! Oh yeah - I forgot the old 2.6.11 was faster too. Another problem I forgot....


That also is a result of the change to the way "sync" behaves.


I was just writing 700k/sec to that SanDisk I mentioned above. Both these devices are USB 2.0 as you can see on the iRiver output above. But with every kernel after the 2.6.11 only the iRiver is slow.

whew... I am going out to dinner and let this finish and bring in my XP laptop to do a chkdsk when this is done.

102 MB of 909 MB 1:25:51 remaining - ugh


Try mounting without "sync".  I bet it will make a huge difference.

Alan Stern

I am going to but....
I read your bugzilla post and I insist that the sync option did work in the older kernels. I dont know about performance degredation, but I just wanted to know that when KDE's status bar said I was done copying, I was... And I did that yesterday with the SanDisk device and was getting 700K/sec with the Sync option. Wierd.

Well when I got back from dinner and looked at what I got with the sync option, it was horrific, as expected...

The type of the file system is FAT.
Volume Serial Number is 20E6-A088
Windows is verifying files and folders...
0 percent completed. Windows found errors on the disk, but will not fix them
because disk checking was run without the /F (fix) parameter.
The size of the \log entry is not valid.
1 percent completed.. The \The_First_Day\05-20th_Century_Dreaming_(A_Shamans_Song).mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \The_First_Day\05-20th_Century_Dreaming_(A_Shamans_Song).mp3 entry is not valid. 2 percent completed... The \The_First_Day\06-Darshan_(The_Road_to_Graceland).mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \The_First_Day\06-Darshan_(The_Road_to_Graceland).mp3 entry is not valid. 4 percent completed.... 5 percent completed..... 6 percent completed...... 8 percent completed. The \Symphonic_Pink_Floyd\07-The_Great_Gig_in_the_Sky.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Symphonic_Pink_Floyd\07-The_Great_Gig_in_the_Sky.mp3 entry is not valid. 9 percent completed.. The \Symphonic_Pink_Floyd\06-Money.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link.
The size of the \Symphonic_Pink_Floyd\06-Money.mp3 entry is not valid.
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\Shadowfax\05-Word_from_the_Village.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 
41443.
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21 percent completed.... The size of the \Shadowfax\01-Oasis.mp3 entry is not valid. 22 percent completed..... The \Paco_de_Lucia\1993-Concerto_De_Aranjuez-Live\1-Allegro_Con_Spirito.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Paco_de_Lucia\1993-Concerto_De_Aranjuez-Live\1-Allegro_Con_Spirito.mp3 entry is not valid. 23 percent completed...... The size of the \Paco_de_Lucia\1993-Concerto_De_Aranjuez-Live\3-Allegro_Gentile.mp3 entry is not valid. 24 percent completed. The size of the \Paco_de_Lucia\1993-Concerto_De_Aranjuez-Live\6-El_Puerto.mp3 entry is not valid. \Paco_de_Lucia\1993-Concerto_De_Aranjuez-Live\6-El_Puerto.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 37347.
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Cross link resolved by copying.
24 percent completed... 25 percent completed.... 26 percent completed..... 27 percent completed...... The \Nightbeat\42\Night_Beat-George_Loves_Julie.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link.
The size of the \Nightbeat\42\Night_Beat-George_Loves_Julie.mp3 entry is not 
valid.
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Cross link resolved by copying.
29 percent completed... 30 percent completed.... The \Nightbeat\37\Night_Beat-1952-08-21-Man_With_The_Red_Hair.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Nightbeat\37\Night_Beat-1952-08-21-Man_With_The_Red_Hair.mp3 entry is not valid. The \Nightbeat\36\Night_Beat-1952-08-14-His_Name_Was_Luke.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Nightbeat\36\Night_Beat-1952-08-14-His_Name_Was_Luke.mp3 entry is not valid. 31 percent completed..... The size of the \Nightbeat\34\Night_Beat-1951-12-28-A_Reporter_Becomes_a_Father.mp3 entry is not valid. \Nightbeat\34\Night_Beat-1951-12-28-A_Reporter_Becomes_a_Father.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 1065.
Cross link resolved by copying.
31 percent completed...... The size of the \Nightbeat\33\Night_Beat-1951-07-13-Anton's_Return.mp3 entry is not valid. \Nightbeat\33\Night_Beat-1951-07-13-Anton's_Return.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 35299.
Cross link resolved by copying.
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The size of the \Nightbeat\31\Night_Beat-1951-06-22-Santuary.mp3 entry is not valid. \Nightbeat\31\Night_Beat-1951-06-22-Santuary.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 31203.
Cross link resolved by copying.
32 percent completed... 33 percent completed.... 34 percent completed..... 35 percent completed...... The \Nightbeat\22\Night_Beat-1950-11-10-The_Slasher.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Nightbeat\22\Night_Beat-1950-11-10-The_Slasher.mp3 entry is not valid.
The \Misc\Olivia-Newton-John-A-Little-More-Love.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid 
link.
The size of the \Misc\Olivia-Newton-John-A-Little-More-Love.mp3 entry is not 
valid.
The size of the \Misc\01-Cygnus_X-1_Book_II-Hemispheres.mp3 entry is not valid.
\Misc\01-Cygnus_X-1_Book_II-Hemispheres.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 29155.
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38 percent completed... The \Gone_To_Earth\03-Before_the_Bullfight.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link.
The size of the \Gone_To_Earth\03-Before_the_Bullfight.mp3 entry is not valid.
39 percent completed.... The size of the \Gone_To_Earth\12-Home.mp3 entry is not valid.
The \Gone_To_Earth\07-Silver_Moon.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link.
The size of the \Gone_To_Earth\07-Silver_Moon.mp3 entry is not valid.
40 percent completed..... The \Gone_To_Earth\11-The_Wooden_Cross.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link.
The \Gone_To_Earth\05-Wave.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link.
The size of the \Gone_To_Earth\05-Wave.mp3 entry is not valid.
41 percent completed...... The size of the \Gone_To_Earth\08-The_Healing_Place.mp3 entry is not valid.
\Gone_To_Earth\08-The_Healing_Place.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 
25059.
Cross link resolved by copying.
41 percent completed. 42 percent completed.. 43 percent completed... The size of the \Gone_To_Earth\01-Taking_the_Veil.mp3 entry is not valid.
\Gone_To_Earth\01-Taking_the_Veil.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 27107.
Cross link resolved by copying.
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\Gone_To_Earth\13-Upon_This_Earth.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 25641.
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43 percent completed..... 44 percent completed...... The \Gildersleeve\6\Gildersleeve_48-03-24_281 Adeline Wants To Visit Jolly Boys.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Gildersleeve\6\Gildersleeve_48-03-24_281 Adeline Wants To Visit Jolly Boys.mp3 entry is not valid. 45 percent completed. The \Friday_Night_in_San_Francisco\04-Fantasia_Suite.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Friday_Night_in_San_Francisco\04-Fantasia_Suite.mp3 entry is not valid. The size of the \Friday_Night_in_San_Francisco\02-Short_Tales_Of_The_Black_Forest.mp3 entry is not valid. 46 percent completed.. The \Friday_Night_in_San_Francisco\01-Mediterranean_Sundance__Rio_Ancho.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Friday_Night_in_San_Francisco\01-Mediterranean_Sundance__Rio_Ancho.mp3 entry is not valid. 47 percent completed... \Friday_Night_in_San_Francisco\03-Frevo_Rasgado.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 21545.
Cross link resolved by copying.
47 percent completed.... 48 percent completed..... The size of the \Duran_Duran\02-Tiger_Tiger.mp3 entry is not valid. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\21\Duffy's_Tavern-Boris_Karlof.mp3 entry is not valid. 49 percent completed...... 50 percent completed. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\19\Duffys_Tavern-1951-02-09-with_Shelley_Winters.mp3 entry is not valid. \Duffys_Tavern\19\Duffys_Tavern-1951-02-09-with_Shelley_Winters.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 14877.
Cross link resolved by copying.
\Duffys_Tavern\18\Duffys_Tavern-1951-01-19-A_Literary_Society_Meeting.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 17449.
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50 percent completed.. The \Duffys_Tavern\17\Duffys_Tavern-1949-05-25-Archie_Writes_an_Opera.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\17\Duffys_Tavern-1949-05-25-Archie_Writes_an_Opera.mp3 entry is not valid. 51 percent completed... The \Duffys_Tavern\16\Duffys_Tavern-1949-02-16-Archies_Yearbook.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\16\Duffys_Tavern-1949-02-16-Archies_Yearbook.mp3 entry is not valid. \Duffys_Tavern\15\Duffys_Tavern-1949-02-09-Archies_Philosophy.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 13353.
Cross link resolved by copying.
51 percent completed.... 52 percent completed..... The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\13\Duffys_Tavern-1948-12-22-Christmas_Stranger_with_Jeff_Chandler.mp3 entry is not valid. \Duffys_Tavern\13\Duffys_Tavern-1948-12-22-Christmas_Stranger_with_Jeff_Chandler.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 12771.
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52 percent completed...... The \Duffys_Tavern\12\Duffys_Tavern-1946-12-18-Joan_Bennett_Kiss_Raffle_for_Christmas.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\12\Duffys_Tavern-1946-12-18-Joan_Bennett_Kiss_Raffle_for_Christmas.mp3 entry is not valid. 53 percent completed. The \Duffys_Tavern\11\Duffys_Tavern-1946-05-10-Singing_Dog.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\11\Duffys_Tavern-1946-05-10-Singing_Dog.mp3 entry is not valid. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\10\Duffys_Tavern-1946-04-26-Fashion_Show_with_Esther_Williams.mp3 entry is not valid. 54 percent completed.. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\8\Duffys_Tavern-1945-04-06-Finnegan_A_Millionaire.mp3 entry is not valid. \Duffys_Tavern\8\Duffys_Tavern-1945-04-06-Finnegan_A_Millionaire.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 10723.
Cross link resolved by copying.
54 percent completed... The \Duffys_Tavern\7\Duffys_Tavern-1944-03-07-with_Colonel_Stoopnagle.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\7\Duffys_Tavern-1944-03-07-with_Colonel_Stoopnagle.mp3 entry is not valid. 55 percent completed.... The \Duffys_Tavern\5\Duffys_Tavern-1940-07-29-Audition_Show-Forecast.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\5\Duffys_Tavern-1940-07-29-Audition_Show-Forecast.mp3 entry is not valid. 56 percent completed..... \Duffys_Tavern\4\duff.1948.12.23_Archie_Meets_Jesus.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 14819.
Cross link resolved by copying.
56 percent completed...... The \Duffys_Tavern\3\duff.1946.01.11_Making_A_Movie_guest_Larry_Storch.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Duffys_Tavern\3\duff.1946.01.11_Making_A_Movie_guest_Larry_Storch.mp3 entry is not valid.
\Doobie_Brothers\08-White_Sun.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 9257.
Cross link resolved by copying.
56 percent completed. 57 percent completed.. The size of the \Doobie_Brothers\07-Jesus_is_Just_Alright.mp3 entry is not valid. 58 percent completed... 59 percent completed.... The size of the \Creaking_Door\5\Creaking Door - 16 Like Blood Sisters.mp3 entry is not valid. \Creaking_Door\5\Creaking Door - 16 Like Blood Sisters.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 5161.
Cross link resolved by copying.
59 percent completed..... The size of the \Creaking_Door\4\Creaking Door - 12 The Cats Woman (Cat Whiskers).mp3 entry is not valid. \Creaking_Door\4\Creaking Door - 12 The Cats Woman (Cat Whiskers).mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 8733.
Cross link resolved by copying.
The \Creaking_Door\3\Creaking Door - 08 The Ghost At Ridgeway.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Creaking_Door\3\Creaking Door - 08 The Ghost At Ridgeway.mp3 entry is not valid. The \Creaking_Door\2\Creaking Door - 09 Bring Back Her Bones.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Creaking_Door\2\Creaking Door - 09 Bring Back Her Bones.mp3 entry is not valid. 60 percent completed...... The \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\02-Bill Engvall - Differences Between Men And Women.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\02-Bill Engvall - Differences Between Men And Women.mp3 entry is not valid. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\15-Larry The Cable Guy - The New Nascar.mp3 entry is not valid. \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\14-Larry The Cable Guy - Vasectomies, Fat Girls And Monopoly Money.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 841.
Cross link resolved by copying.
60 percent completed. 61 percent completed.. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\12-Jeff Foxworthy - Courtesy Sniff.mp3 entry is not valid. \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\12-Jeff Foxworthy - Courtesy Sniff.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 541.
Cross link resolved by copying.
The \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\16-Larry The Cable Guy - My Family Is Wierd.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\16-Larry The Cable Guy - My Family Is Wierd.mp3 entry is not valid. 62 percent completed... The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\03-Bill Envall - Spending Time Together.mp3 entry is not valid. \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\03-Bill Envall - Spending Time Together.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 2889.
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62 percent completed.... 63 percent completed..... The \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\06-Ron White - The Chinese Space Program And Other Musings On Life.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\06-Ron White - The Chinese Space Program And Other Musings On Life.mp3 entry is not valid. \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\13-Larry The Cable Guy - Intro.mp3 is cross-linked on allocation unit 1982.
Cross link resolved by copying.
63 percent completed...... The \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\07-Ron White - I Just Got Married.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\07-Ron White - I Just Got Married.mp3 entry is not valid. 64 percent completed. The \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\11-Jeff Foxworthy - Oreo Generation.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\11-Jeff Foxworthy - Oreo Generation.mp3 entry is not valid. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\18-I Believe.mp3 entry is not valid. The \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\10-Jeff Foxworthy - TV And Its Side Effects.mp3 entry contains a nonvalid link. The size of the \Blue_Collar_Comedy_Tour-Rides_Again\10-Jeff Foxworthy - TV And Its Side Effects.mp3 entry is not valid.
100 percent completed..                  File and folder verification is 
complete.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 482.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 1607.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 2530.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 3655.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 4578.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 4936.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 5703.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 6077.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 6626.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 6984.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 7751.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 8674.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 9032.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 9797.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 9799.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 11847.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 13895.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 15943.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 16866.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 17991.  Orphan truncated.
Bad links in lost chain at cluster 18685 corrected.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 19938.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 20039.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 20962.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 22087.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 23010.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 24135.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 26183.  Orphan truncated.
Lost chain cross-linked at cluster 30279.  Orphan truncated.
Convert lost chains to files (Y/N)? n
360120320 bytes of free disk space would be added.
Windows found problems with the file system.
Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these.

1,048,297,472 bytes total disk space.
    1,015,808 bytes in 62 folders.
  665,796,608 bytes in 129 files.
   21,364,736 bytes available on disk.

       16,384 bytes in each allocation unit.
       63,983 total allocation units on disk.
        1,304 allocation units available on disk.

I am now going to try without the sync option.

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