Can't remember if it was sysv or maybe even older (: There'r've been times when 
I thought it could have been useful. BTW did you play with the -e flag on 
tune2fs?

Cheers,

Steve

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:52:49 +1200
"Davidson, Brett (Managed Services)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Didn't know that option, Steve.
> 
> Can't see it in any of the four different system man pages I've looked
> at either.
> 
> Was this an old minix option perchance? (Or was it futher back into Sys5
> history?).
> 
> Brett.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Holdoway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 3:21 p.m.
> > To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
> > Subject: Re: Issue with journal corruption on ext3
> > 
> > Can you still mount -crashed ( -b 32 )? I haven't used it in 
> > 20 years, but it *might* work. Then you can remove .journal 
> > and see if that helps.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:00:13 +1200
> > "Davidson, Brett (Managed Services)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > No go. You can't remove a journal while the ext3 filesystem 
> > underneath
> > > has errors.
> > > Did try the -O ^has_journal and also tried using the -f 
> > force option.
> > > 
> > > The problem isn't that the superblock is corrupt.
> > > 
> > > It's that some orphaned links exist that normally fsck would tidy up
> > > quite nicely.
> > > However, as the filesystem is an ext3 type, fsck tries to run the
> > > journal first.
> > > No go as that's corrupt.
> > > Can't remove the journal (via the -O option) as there are underlying
> > > filesystem errors.
> > > 
> > > Classic catch-22.
> > > 
> > > Sounds like it's just fodder for the /dev/null device. :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > IIRC you can treat it as an ext2 partition ( tune2fs <device> 
> > > > -O ^has_journal switches it off ), and fsck it ( -b 32 always 
> > > > helps if you have problems ). Then you can mount it as ext2, 
> > > > and drop the journals ( rm <mount point>/.journal ). Once 
> > > > you've got it clean, you can reset it to ext3 again with 
> > > > tune2fs, and mounting it recerates the journals.
> > > > 
> > > > Dunno if that's any use to you.
> > > > 
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:36:11 +1200
> > > > "Davidson, Brett (Managed Services)" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Anyone confronted the issue where a machine lost power 
> > and both the
> > > > > journal and ext filesystem underneath have errors?
> > > > > To fix the ext3 filesystem, fsck normally applies the 
> > > > journal first but
> > > > > as that's also corrupt, things don't play.
> > > > >  
> > > > > I have restored the system from the last backup but have 
> > > > kept a "dd" of
> > > > > the filesystem so I can play later as a loopback.
> > > > >  
> > > > > It appears that the journal starts at block 0 and debugfs 
> > > > won't let you
> > > > > touch block 0 so I can't just remove the inode and/or the 
> > > > journal file.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Should I delete the filesystem copy as there is absolutely 
> > > > nothgin to be
> > > > > done or is there some fun learning to be had?
> > > > >  
> > > > > Brett.
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Brett Davidson : RHCE, MCSE, SCSA, NZCE(Electronics&Computing),
> > > > > TC(Electronics)
> > > > > Systems Support Specialist
> > > > > HP Christchurch, New Zealand
> > > > > 
> > > > > Phone : +64 3 962 5773
> > > > > Fax : +64 3 962 5747
> > > > > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

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