On Tue 30 Jan 2007 21:12:56 NZDT +1300, yuri wrote:

> >Rescue systems are intended more for those who
> >know how to run them, man pages are not high on the list there,
> 
> IOW no use to non-gurus.

As I said, you could have used any of the live systems with kitchen
sink, they have man pages too, but complaining about the one system you
tried which for very good reason and by design does not have man pages
isn't going to get your box fixed.

> Anyway, as Chris pointed out it would've been useless for reiser4 anyway.

Oh, I should have guessed you're on reiser4. There's nothing wrong with
choosing a distro which is for those who know what they're doing, or
more to the point, who know how to fix it, and then topping it up with a
filesystem which is experimental, is only part of experimental distros,
comes with a big "you're on your own here", and certainly isn't yet part
of the kernel, but it's your choice and your risk. (Those who got you
into this situation should have explained this to you beforehand. Chris
take note please.) Excuse me for being amused though when you then
complain that some other distro doesn't fix it for you... Hey why didn't
you use the does-all-even-for-the-clueless gentoo rescue disk? ;)

Poking fun aside, many suggestions have been made. Pick the one which
fits your situation and skill best. As always.

Getting onto your $SUBJECT, rescue systems operate under severe
limitations of hard disk space (i.e., none), memory, CD space, etc. Live
distros are made for as different purpose and therefore get away with
using more resources. By definition all are burn-once and can't be
easily modified to add just the one thing you want to use. Live with it,
not against it.

> >instead of getting the job done, then you know where to look. Or use the
> >SUSE live distro.
> 
> SuSE live distro wasn't on the APC Mag DVD.

We all apologise that you don't have the right fix-my-box disk at hand
when you need it.

> I wouldn't waste space on
> the rescue disk for a gui when that space could instead be filled with
> helpful *documentation* to assist non-gurus with trouble shooting.

Rescue disks are not a have-all-documentation disk. By design. Use a
live distro if you want the docs.

> pages for only the most common rescue tools (fsck, dd, etc) would be
> nice and wouldn't take up too much memory. Kilobytes rather than
> megabytes.

Megabytes. You need all the man page formatting stuff too. But nuff said
about that above already.

> I couldn't even get anything with "fsck --help".

That there is stupid software is a fact of life. Its screen output
however gives a clue as to what is happening, on your system it probably
ran reiserfsck (and it would say so), which doesn't know --help (which
it also says). Running reiserfsck without arguments tells you most of
what you want to know. So, where is your problem?

That it probably wouldn't fix your reiser4 is the price you pay for
running gentoo and reiser4. But you knew that, therefore you're not
complaining about having to pay up ;)

In your particular case, most likely you would have had to specify an
alternative filesystem master block to reiserfsck. If you're lucky,
reiserfsck makes a suggestion as to what number to put there. Otherwise,
any mkreiserfs would tell you, but how you actually do it is another
matter. And most likely reiserfsck would have had no trouble fixing the
fs with having a new master block. In any case though you would need the
reiser 4(!) tools.

Volker

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