Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Monday 31 December 2001 11:41:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:39:30 +0000 Declan Moriarty
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Sunday 30 December 2001 00:36:
> > > Well, my beloved gentoo distro has become somewhat unstable, so I've
> > > switched back to elx at least temporarily.
> > >
> > > A few notes:
> > >
> > > 3) I found rpm versions of xfce and sylpheed, and they went in without
> > > a hitch, even though not specifically designed for elx.  It appears
> > > that anything redhat/mandrake crafted will work.
> >
> > I have been running Mandrake for a while now, and allow me to add that
> > IMHO, Red Hat and Mandrake  are no longer fully compatible, just alike.
> > Elx has probably done what Mandrake did - started with a basic Red Hat
> > file arrangement and then added their own work. They have differed
> > widely in areas, and Mandrake has added loads of 'drakes (Harddrake,
> > diskdrake(out yet?), drakfont, rpmdrake, XFdrake,) mainly dodges so they
> > don't have to explain anything. Thay have you testing for them (e.g.
> > crashtester, 'cooker') before they will do that.
>
> You're most likely right.  I haven't kept up with Mandrake since the 8.0
> (???) Beta which I liked better than the final product.  They wouldn't
> really explain much to me, even when I was on the 'cooker' list.

Yes, I know they have gone away from the Red Hat way of starting X, for 
example. I was on crashtesters and got it even worse. I believe they have 
better intentions now. I got off the list after being on for 1.5 releases 
without ever getting a single cd from them to test. They sent them to the 
states to post them by surface mail to Ireland because it was cheaper. All I 
ever got was promises. I did get xtart out of them (intro below). They have 
civilised it, but I have the old version. To get that out of them, I copied 
and pasted their 'welcome' notice back to the list and really twisted a 
particular arm. They tell me it's quite popular in the distro. Here it is 
(Unsanitized)


#!/usr/bin/env python
#  This is an official linux-mandrake extension of the X windowing system for
#  the benefit of Declan Moriarty  Copyright 2001 by civileme@mandrakesoft all
#  rights reserved.  Use is hereby granted under the GNU General Publoic
#  License version 2 or any future version of said license at the user's 
option
#
#  No Warranty of course.  This is designed directly for old men whose teenage
#  kids become impatient with their farting around with weird-assed window
#  managers.
#

And this was my situation, and the 'weird-assed window managers' was a line 
from one of my teenagers. I have since settled on Icewm. But I get the choice 
every time with this. 
-- 
        Regards,


        Declan Moriarty




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