On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:17:38AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote:
>
>> frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone.
>
>You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway 
>shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line 
>to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million 
>lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line 
>count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned 
>to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an 
>embarassment to those who use it...

Bovine defacation!  Doug Gwyn put it best when he said ``GUIs make simple
things simple, and complex things impossible''.

I'm not saying that GUIs aren't useful for many things, and I certainly
would find life a lot harder without them.  On the other hand, there are
many things I can do much more easily and quickly from the command line
than I can poking through endless menus and screens to accomplish the same
thing.  It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a
floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a
GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then
right-click paste.  How many times have you been selecting files from a
dialog box with ctrl-leftclick, only to let up on the ctrl key, and loose
all the ones you had selected?

Some applications are by nature GUI.  GUIs make the infrequently performed
system administration jobs more convenient.  GUIs make it extremely
difficult if not impossible to automate jobs.

The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line
programs, and either display or log the commands they execute so that jobs
that are done frequently can be repeated very quickly by putting those
commands in a script.

As an example of this, I frequently have to burn CDs containing all the
vendor updates for a system along with all of the software we've written
for installations, and the directory this is in has gotten too large to fit
on a single CDrom so I have to exclude some files and directories.  I did
this with xcdroast, tweaking patterns until I got it right, then put the
commands it used to make the ISO file system, burn, and verify the CD into
a short script that I can now execute from the command line in less time
than it takes to get xcdroast past the initial greeting screen (less people
time, not the time to actually do the processing).

Bill
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