At 09:11 PM 2/3/2002, you wrote:
>Tyler wrote:
> > They're all there, its just that Mandrake has practically eliminated the
> > need for the CLI tools.
>
>Oh swell... like filling your car floor to ceiling with cotton candy, then
>trying to drive down the street.

To clarify; the GUI tools are eliminating the need for CLI tools, not 
removing them from the distros. As Linux is all about choice (whereas M$ is 
about using M$ and nothing else) the simple fact that most GUIs are 
front-ends to CLI tools means you can use what you like.

<MS RANT SNIPPED. SEE Matt Carpenter's MSG ON SAME>

> > The Mac was there, but it succumbed to poor management, a 'hippy'
> > mentality, and an accomplice factor that causes them to lump in with MS
> > instead of compete.
>
>The MAC suffered because they insisted on a completely proprietary model in
>an increasingly generic market model. They were clobbered by the dominance
>of the PC clone model and all the explosive cross-development that brought
>with it.

If Apple suffers from proprietary hardware then there would be decline and 
not growth. The popularity of the iMac, ridiculous as it may be, is clear 
indication that people want something simple and easy to use. And, lest we 
forget, the dominance of the PC platform was defined by the oft illegal 
marketing and contract policies of Microsoft. If market were based entirely 
on quality and ease of use then Amiga and Apple would own the market.

> > Next comes Psion/Symbian. I know, this doesn't make much sense, but its a
> > reality. EPOC32 and the Symbian OS (which are really quite similar) is
>very
> > compatible with Windows and MS file formats, is extremely scalable (from
> > phone to desktop), and handles Java and TCP/IP with native aplomb. Psion's
> > inability to properly market handheld devices to the consumer and keep a
> > steady flow of new, evolutionary devices coming did, however, clearly
> > indicate that it will take longer to get to the desktop.
>
>Psion did a pretty good business in Europe, especially with their handhelds
>devices... they were years ahead of the current PDA market. However, they
>became stagnant and are starting to lose share in a market they should have
>dominated. They easily could have been Palm, but for "old boy" parochialism
>and an inability to think globally and reach beyond regional markets. You're
>a PDA guy - you should know that.

Begging your pardon, Burns, but I that's what I said. Psion's withdrawal 
from the consumer market was created by their inability to properly market 
the devices to consumers and their lack of new products that met the 
demands of the user. That they bowed to the parochial is moot as made clear 
by the ludicrous introduction of the SonicBlue/Diamond Mako as an entry 
into the US market. Too little, too late.

Tyler


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