On Saturday 17 June 2006 04:11 pm, Devdas Bhagat wrote:

> I don't think that JTD is blaming a single company. Only one
> company was mentioned in this context.

Definetly not. As u point out ends justfying the means tends to become 
very circular leading to messes like the one that is being discussed.
 
>
> > yes not all his business practices have been good. neither does
> > everyone else work like angels in utopia.

all the more reason to highilight the develish purpose (and not just 
M$).

>
> A billion flies ...
>
> > also i m talking abt the fact about  making computing more
> > accessible and simpler. NOT THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS DONE. and
> > thats where you have to understand the meaning of world CLEANER
> > in context to the statement.
>
> The end never justifies the means.
>
> > You are just being tremondously biased against microsoft which
> > according to me is not correct.
> >
> > if remember RMS words or Dr Nagarjun, the realm of propritery 
> > didnot start with MS, it started with companies trying to
> > monetize on unix, .... other companies just made it worse ...
>
> And that absolves Microsoft of what guilt?
>
> > Do you really think if MS were to close down or opensource
> > everything all the evil would be over ?

80% of your problems will get worse then go away as people switch to 
the one alternative currently available. And as in any healthy eco 
system. Many new ones will spring up - almost by "magic". U could 
well be the one with that "Magic".

>
> I disagree that all the issues would go away. But Microsoft is the
> biggest symbol of what is wrong with todays computing industry.
>
> What has Microsoft actually contributed to the computing industry?
> (They have excellent technical people there, they don't have
> management and salespeople with ethics). What creative activities
> has Microsoft shown to the world?

Forget about contributing they have the gumption to oppose 
openstandards with crap argumnets and PR that deliberately tries to 
obfusicate the clear distinction between standards and code.
Right now they have made a "contribution"  of US$30million to Mass. 
government to "help" needy students buy M$ malware. Funny they dont 
offer it to everybody - only those insisting on Open standards. And 
in an attempt to get a future legal handle they are fast racking 
their version of XML in two rubber stamp "standards" organisation.

> IBM was hated for trying to exert excessive control. So is MSFT.

Until Sun, DEC, Dell, Compaq AND the Taiwanese cloners with US capital 
almost put IBM on the mat.

>
> Devdas Bhagat

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