On Thursday 06 July 2006 23:17, Devdas Bhagat wrote:
> And if you read the thread again, you will notice that Kenneth claims
> that Blender is far better than anything in the closed source world.
> Even with a bad, unintutive UI. Please read the complete sentence
> first.

Bad, Unintuitive UIs drive away people and everyone keeps wondering why 
there aren't Linux desktops around. Given a choice between Debian and 
Ubuntu what do people prefer? I thought the whole point of the 
demonstration was to _entice_ people into using OSS based alternatives 
and not /drive them away/ with horrible horrible UIs.

> By your standard, Exchange is a good MTA, but Postfix and Exim are
> not.
>
> vi and emacs have their own strengths (and weaknesses). Which is why
> we have vigor and vim.

You are twisting my words. I agreed that blender was powerful BUT it 
would be yet more powerful IF it had a good UI. And people would 
actually be MORE OPEN to using it in the first place...

> There is that old quote from Usenet:
> The only intutive UI is the nipple. Everything else is learnt.

Well UIs that we see here arent a nipple. Thats for sure!

> The more powerful the application, the more complex the interface.
> Photoshop has a complex interface. For that matter, so does MS Word.
> That 99% of people never go beyond a few buttons (which they have
> been taught to use) and never actually use the power of the office
> suite is not the fault of the "excellent" UI.

Complex doesn't mean crappy / unusable!

> You have the bias of coming from a MS Windows environment and want
> something similar. I have the bias of coming from a Unixy
> environment, and I want something similar. And no, terminal.app is
> simply not a replacement for a bunch of xterms.

Excuse me, I might not be born in the UNIX environment but I have been 
using it for a pretty long time. And as a proud owner of 3 machines 
exclusively running Linux I can say with enough confidence that I dont 
have bias against "UNIXy" environments. Its your kind of arrogance, 
ignorance and refusal to accept the shortcomings of the OSS UIs that 
are hindering real progress.

I'm _not_ even remotely implying that *nix UIs should resemble M$ 
Windoze if that is what ticked you off...

ciao!

-- 
Regards,
Dinesh A. Joshi

P.S.: Dont take this personally.

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