On 09/08/2014 10:56 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-09-08 at 19:30 -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
>> On 09/08/2014 01:50 AM, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>> But additionally, even if gcc combines adjacent writes _that are part
>>>> of the program flow_ then I believe the situation is no worse than
>>>> would otherwise exist.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, given the following:
>>>>
>>>> struct x {
>>>> spinlock_t lock;
>>>> long a;
>>>> byte b;
>>>> byte c;
>>>> };
>>>>
>>>> void locked_store_b(struct x *p)
>>>> {
>>>> spin_lock(&p->lock);
>>>> p->b = 1;
>>>> spin_unlock(&p->lock);
>>>> p->c = 2;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> Granted, the author probably expects ordered writes of
>>>> STORE B
>>>> STORE C
>>>> but that's not guaranteed because there is no memory barrier
>>>> ordering B before C.
>>>
>>> Yes, there is: loads and stores may not migrate into or out of critical
>>> sections.
>>
>> That's a common misconception.
>>
>> The processor is free to re-order this to:
>>
>> STORE C
>> STORE B
>> UNLOCK
>>
>> That's because the unlock() only guarantees that:
>>
>> Stores before the unlock in program order are guaranteed to complete
>> before the unlock completes. Stores after the unlock _may_ complete
>> before the unlock completes.
>>
>> My point was that even if compiler barriers had the same semantics
>> as memory barriers, the situation would be no worse. That is, code
>> that is sensitive to memory barriers (like the example I gave above)
>> would merely have the same fragility with one-way compiler barriers
>> (with respect to the compiler combining writes).
>>
>> That's what I meant by "no worse than would otherwise exist".
>
> Actually, that's not correct. This is actually deja vu with me on the
> other side of the argument. When we first did spinlocks on PA, I argued
> as you did: lock only a barrier for code after and unlock for code
> before. The failing case is that you can have a critical section which
> performs an atomically required operation and a following unit which
> depends on it being performed. If you begin the following unit before
> the atomic requirement, you may end up losing. It turns out this kind
> of pattern is inherent in a lot of mail box device drivers: you need to
> set up the mailbox atomically then poke it. Setup is usually atomic,
> deciding which mailbox to prime and actually poking it is in the
> following unit. Priming often involves an I/O bus transaction and if
> you poke before priming, you get a misfire.
Take it up with the man because this was discussed extensively last
year and it was decided that unlocks would not be full barriers.
Thus the changes to memory-barriers.txt that explicitly note this
and the addition of smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() (for two different
locks; an unlock followed by a lock on the same lock is a full barrier).
Code that expects ordered writes after an unlock needs to explicitly
add the memory barrier.
Regards,
Peter Hurley
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