At the end of last school year in June of this year I had a call from a
teacher who offered me 40+ working old Mac portables for free if I
hauled them away. Where could I store 40+ of these vintage computers and
what would I do with them ? I had to decline his offer and he told me
they were going to the landfill. He was keeping the Apple black carrying
cases to use for storing other stuff in his classroom. Those black
carrying cases are rare enough by themselves. 
  In 2005 hearing about a classroom still using the Mac Portable is
surprising. He had the Apple portable batterys modified by removing the
lead acid cells and replacing them with rechargable cells by a local
battery dealer. Some had memory upgrades and all had their modems
installed. His classroom was being converted to IBM Windoze laptops. I
bet his students just love Windoze XP.
                 Al

-----Original Message-----
From: LisaList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jennifer Worgan
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:57 AM
To: LisaList
Subject: Re: Lisa tech preservation, Alice

I am assembling a hands-on micro computer museum and learning center.

I have my eye on two school busses going up for auction - one for Apples
and the other... well for Oranges.  I can have the busses towed to
different schools  for maximum access to students with the possibility
of checking out Apple II+EGSes and educational software for use at home
by serious students who do not have access to a computer at home and
need some help with academics or computer skills including programming.

A library of software, mannuals and books is kept for reference rather
than to be kept on the busses.  A partial library will be on each bus
with materials related to the computers on each bus along with the
history of micro computers.

I have been collecting micro computers for the museum for a number of
years now along with peripherals, software, mannuals and books.  They
now fill most of a two car garage and two bedrooms.  People have already
been making donations of computers, peripherals, mannuals and books that
they were going to throw out and were looking for a good home for

I have not been able to get any Lisas as they tend to be expensive.  The
main reason I joined the Lisa list was to get more information about
these relatively rare and, hence, expensive historical gems.  I
definitly have a good place and good use for any that are destined for
throw out.  I am learning about getting the program set up as a non
profit organization but have not begun to file yet, wanting to have the
busses first to show some sort of "housing", other than my home, for the
program.

If you hear of anyone getting ready to just throw out any Lisa
computers, peripherals, software, mannuals and/or books, please let them
know of this musuem for their consideration.

Thank you,


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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Lisa tech preservation, Alice


> There really should be some sort of non-profit organization designed
to
> preserve the Lisa legacy. Lisa stuff is being scattered on Ebay and
ends
> up in various collections or thrown out. Private collections are OK,
but
> it really would be valuable for there to be a museum or some sort of
> central repository for Lisa tech.
>
> Apple should do more in this area. The company prides itself on
> innovation, but seems to be content to leave much of its innovation to
> obscurity, even loss. Maybe there's a secret cache of Apple history
> somewhere? Is there a reason why Apple would be unwise to open the
source
> code for Lisa's software?
>
> The Mac is pretty well-covered with sites like folklore.org. The Lisa
is
> usually treated as an after-thought, something to mention while
writing
> about the Mac.
>
> The original version of Alice was written for the Lisa. Where is it?
> Apple's first game was actually a Lisa program. While it wasn't
produced
> for sale, it's hardly unimportant. It would be really cool to see a
game
> running on a Lisa, even if it's slow. I hazily recall that Steve Capps
was
> the person who made the game. I wrote to the guy (Bruce Horn?) who
runs
> folklore.org and he gave me Capps' e-mail, but I didn't get a response
> when I asked about Alice.
>
>
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings?
> >
> > I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa
Desktop
> > Manager ("Lisa Finder" in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa
applications
> > such
> > as LisaWrite.
> >
> > Paper listings are fine. I just want to see how these programs were
built
> > internally.
> >
> > I think it would be a shame if such sources disappered since they
were
> > very
> > innovative.
> >
> > FYI, I have the source for the Lisa boot ROM and the Lisa
programmer's
> > ToolKit.
> >
> > - David Craig
> >
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