On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Ivan Pope wrote:

> >At 5:39 PM +0000 2/4/99, Ivan Pope wrote:
     <snip>
> I think my issue was with the rather blunt nature of lists - one is either
> on them or off them. This is a bit different to bars where you can drift
> around, pick up on conversations, move from place to place.
    <snip>

        Newsgroups, for some of us, are the not so hard-edge option.
> 
> >But if you don't like how mailing lists work, web forums are the next
> >step forward. But 
> >there are still going to be dozens of bars you wish...
        
        This may be misleading.  It steers us away from established,
        tradition-or-habit/known channels.

        A friend of mine - at least a couple years ago - was participating
        in large chat groups.  (He is a teacher of electronics & finishing
        an advanced degree in sociology.)  Was asking me about telephone
        lines - since his connection out in the countryside was weaker
        than mine.  His group, besides exchanging typed commments and file
        file transfers, was starting to want to pick up a telephone and
        call someone - while modem contact was maintained.

        Of course this is not in the direction of multi-conversations
        in a bar, where it is easy to turn off and leave - but
        multiconversationss at one table.

> I think my basic complaint is that we can't take advantage of the diversity
> out there without killing ourselves with traffic noise in the attempt.
> Of course moving the same concepts to the Web isn't going to solve that. I
> think we need much more subtle tools to do that. I was trying to think out
> loud about what they might be.

I agree noise is a serious concern.  And I enjoy hearing you say subtle
tools could be to get through it.  ('Get through' can be a ham radio
phrase.)

> Cheers,
> Ivan
> 



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