On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 11:38:41AM -0700, Scott Southwick wrote:
> During this whole period, the ethics of Liszt's methods were never
> questioned in a public forum, to my knowledge.
I suggest that you search the archives of this mailing list (for
starters) to find such discussion. Among other things, you might
look for a Subject line of "Do www.liszt.com ever give up?"
(That's not the only discussion, it's simply a place to start.
Liszt.com has been discussed under other subject headings here
as well in other places, including Usenet newsgroups.)
> Nor does that surprise me. The right of Internet directories' spiders to
> collect and dispense information from servers has been long-established.
Oh? There's no question that it's done -- frequently. But I hardly
think that there exists universal agreement that a "right" to do so
exists. In fact, you might recall that some of the activities of
spiders have been questioned in detail -- for example, the load imposed
on key sites by repeated spider visits has been discussed; for another
example, Kahle's web archives have been discussed w.r.t their
relationship to the preservation of copyright.
> sucks up everything everybody says on any corner of Usenet and keeps it
> on the web forever! Now, you better believe people used to question
> that, too, even though it's beyond question now
I don't think what dejanews does is by any means "beyond question".
A great many questions have been asked (and continue to be asked)
about their operations--including, by the way, *their* spamming
activities--and their responsibility for erroneous (e.g. forged) content.
> Again: if you like Liszt, I think you're going to love Topica. If you've
> ever been to visit them (and I've spent countless hours with them) you
> know that they're a terrific organization, through-and-through.
I don't care how nice you think they are; for that matter, I don't care
how nice *I* think they are. If they engage in spamming, then they'll
be blacklisted, blocked, filtered, and ultimately driven out of
business -- as well they should be under those circumstances.
---Rsk
Rich Kulawiec
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