On 26 Jun 2000, at 14:29, Bernie Cosell wrote:

> Well, this morning I got the sixth, seventh and eighth spam-signups
> via:
 
> The list owner has included the following welcome message:

> Also we would like to offer you a FREE vacation Certificate for 2 to
> many exciting destinations as a thank you :) to get your certificate
> please visit
>  [...more spam follows...]
> ======================================================
 
> You folks have told me that listbot.com isn't really a spam haven and
> while email to 'abuse' there always gets me a prompt apologetic reply,
> these things *DO* still keep coming.  And if there's some way to work
> an opt-out list that isn't a PITA for the opted-outers, obviously the
> folks at listbot haven't figured it out yet...
 
> [it is always amusing to contemplate how/where spammers harvest
> addresses from.  this one is via [EMAIL PROTECTED]  There has not been
> an email or usenet posting originated from this email address for >8
> years now (indeed, for all practical purposes, there was no "web" when
> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' was last an active address!)... so where did they
> even *FIND* it..]
 
Well... lesse... a look at Dogpile found 140 hits for your address at 
Google alone, one of which was a spammers treasure trove, a note 
that included a "Mass acknowledgement of votes received for 
rec.crafts.misc:", as well as the jargon file 4.2 revision history.  
Infoseek found another 24 hits, all seemingly centered around the 
hackers dictionary.  Lycos found 10 more hits - most of them 
Hackers Dictionary but some were in the Computer Risks Digest, 
Alta Vista found 33 hits, including a note in comp:compilers entitled, 
"Re: Perfect hashing table/function".

The bottom line seems to be that the web and news groups never 
forget.

I'll certainly agree that you should not be getting notes telling you 
that you can opt out of mailing lists to that address.  But... is the 
flaw in "opt-out", or is the flaw in the person who harvested your 
address and the company that let their client use any address they 
dredged up?  There seems to be something wrong at listbot... beyond 
whether they use opt-in or opt-out.

Mike


 
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Mike Avery                            [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                                                 (970)-642-0282
                                                  ICQ: 16241692

* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way *

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Desqview vs. Windows is a no-Win situation.


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