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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:51:19 -0700 
JC Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 01:17 AM 4/24/01, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> My line is that the poster retains copyright, but not control
>> over the post, due to the fact that he explicitly relinquished
>> those rights for that post when he sent it to the list.

> I like that!  Can I use it in my list rules and welcome message?

Sure.

The actual quote is a little different is is phrased as a "Note from
the List Owner", and is centered on the concerns of involvement in a
technical list of members with corporate affiliations in the field:

--<cut>--
The list has a number of members who work professionally in the
field. Their presence raises certain concerns for intellectual
property, trade secrets, copyrights, etc for the list and for list
postings. The below should give an overview of this area, what I
expect of list members, commercially affiliated or otherwise, as
well as the intended character of the list.

As list owner I expect all list members to be responsible for what
they post. The rules are obvious: If there is something your company
or affiliations does not want publicised, then don't post it to the
list. If you see one of your commercial or other partners post
something to the list that shouldn't have been, then don't bring it
up on the list -- take it to direct email. Raising such issues on
the list will be used as an excuse for removing membership.

Please do not use this as an alibi to start adding disclaimers to
your posts. You are the members on this list, not your companies. If
it isn't your opinion don't write it. If you are reporting someone
else's opinion, state it as such.

If a post is written as a representative of your company or
affiliation, then identify it as such. Adding a signature which
identifies your affiliation is not enough. That can be too easily
automated and is not an explicit statement of representation. A
leading paragraph identifying the source or representation placed
above all the textual body including the attributions, will do (keep
it short).

Commercial grandstanding, advertisements, chest puffing, or other
forms of promotion are not appreciated on the list and will be
rewarded with removal of membership. The list is an expressly
non-commercial venue. It is intended as an intelligent and free
discussion by peers in the field, both hobbyist and professional.

Membership of the list is not a right. You are here as my
guests. This is a private list run as a personal contribution to the
field. I trust the list's membership to behave accordingly.

Posting to the list may be considered analagous to having a
conversation in my living room using bull horns while the windows
are open and everyone has tape recorders. There is no secrecy, or
control of the dissemination of data once it is posted.

And on a final note: Attempting to invalidate or discourage a
discussion or avenue of investigation on the list because it strays
too close to a commercial project's field or other such interest
will be deemed an intentional personal insult and due cause for
permanent removal from the list along with all associates.
--<cut>--

That little piece of text has been amazingly successful in helping
to mold and stay the list character.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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