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>     on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
>     assigns, a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, perpetual,
>     non-revocable license under your copyrights or other
>     intellectual property rights, if any, in such material, to use,
>     distribute, display, reproduce, and create derivative works from
>     such material in any and all media, in any manner, in whole or
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> 
   Lawyers dont fuck up, they defend a position. The position of e-
commerce at this point is that there are folks who would sue a 
service provider (and whatever else egroups and freemail and 
geocities and tripod and all are doing, they provide a service) on the 
grounds that if some message *content is arguably improper, then 
it is improper to service it. 

Its not exactly a coincidence that Demon just lost a libel case in 
UK on this reasoning (some Yankee posted something slanderous 
to Usenet); what would you do if you were Yahoo -- appeal to the 
Queen, amicus curia? 
  
>From the SP pov, the above says: anything we think will cost us 
money is going to be yanked forthwith, and there is SFA you can 
do about it.  The fact that from some picayune 'human rights' pov, it 
says that although you may have thought you were getting 
something for nothing, in fact you get nothing -- well, it's 
unfortunate that so many people are naive, but thats always been 
the case -- and equally the case that if you dont instinctively keep 
your head down, the way you learn is by getting clobbered.

Now, what is there to be learned? That is, what are the possible 
next steps? Will we see Consumers' Union or the IWW organize 
an IWWebster's International? Probably not, tho it could be fun to 
try.

Will legislation be passed or a Cyberspacial Framework Convention 
be enunciated to protect not just freedom of speech but freedom of 
dissemination? I doubt it; those are some ways away yet.

Will many individuals look for different SP with different policies? 
That's assured, but will it make any *cultural difference? Not at all.

Will more than half a dozen see that the somewhat bigger bone of 
contention -- domain names versus trademarks ($70 = free on that 
scale) -- is part of the same carcass? You send me your list, and 
I'll send you mine, and maybe we can make something of it.

kerry



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