On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Jeff Williams wrote:
> Joe and all,
>
> Joe, I agree with you conclusion entirely. But amongst this
> group the anti-spammer kooks seem to be in the majority.
>
> Another thing that really bothers me in particular is what
> some people define as spamm. Anything they don't like
> that is posted to a mailing list that they are a member of,
> some consider that spamm. Interesting definition.
I understand completely. The Bob Shaw incident is now swallowing up a few
antispammers with it.
By the way. Since I'm think of Bob, I've just completed a new list of
Media fax numbers - pruned for net use, which I shall be making available
soon.
Regards
Joe Baptista
>
> J. Baptista wrote:
>
> > You don't get it do you. People are signing up for free internet services
> > to which thery agree to receive email adverts - or stuff like that. There
> > is an increasing need to have a commercial email top level domain. Thos
> > who subscribe to free services agree to get adverts - those that do not
> > can block at the smtp mta by means of tld.
> >
> > With respect to porn, it's much harder to block new domains in anti porn
> > filters like i-l-o-v-e-h-e-r-t-w-a-t.com, but very easy to block an entire
> > dot.sex tld. You get my drift. It makes legislatures jobs much easier.
> >
> > Right now the anti-spam nuts are trying to get mta's reprogrammed for some
> > type of banner exchange. Crazy stuff. But it's much easier to block at
> > the dns level, the mta will just send an error message. See what I mean,
> > the tools exists to provide the net with answers to existing communication
> > problem.
> >
> > It would also serve the pro spammers - or as they would like to call
> > themselves - pro commercial emailers. At this time most of their
> > marketing techniques seem to be restricted to some monster called ffa
> > blaster. If your really interested in knowing more about it, just do a
> > search engin look up.
> >
> > This FFA blaster apparrently generates nightly over 300,000 email
> > exchanges. That's per blaster. In some cases these blasters (what they
> > call safe posting lists) have generated enought email to drown large
> > isp's. Recently Ottawa's istar.ca had major smtp problems for this very
> > reason.
> >
> > Of course these people like the anti-spam people are also nuts. Some
> > actually read the thousands of email communications they receive per day.
> > Other use extensive filtering devices and never actually read all this
> > email, but do autorespond to it.
> >
> > I'm getting really concerned that the future of electronic marketing is
> > being restricted to mass mail programs generated by robots, replied to by
> > robots, filed and deleted by robots, with minimal human intervention.
> >
> > So you can see what I'm getting at - both groups are kooks.
> >
> > Regards
> > Joe Baptista
> >
> > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Peter Veeck wrote:
> >
> > > Who needs a "free" service. These people sign up for a two week free trial, run
>a test one
> > > night, and run all night distributing their goods the next night. By the time
>the complaints
> > > start coming in they have left town and you support people have several hundred
>or thousand
> > > complaints to answer. The privacy lobby tore up the caller ID system so bad
>that it is
> > > difficult to tie the SPAMMer to a physical location.
> > >
> > > Peter Veeck
> > >
> > > "J. Baptista" wrote:
> > >
> >
>
> Regards,
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> Jeffrey A. Williams
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