Javier and all, Javier Rodriguez wrote: > If there has been errors... who is in charge of correct them ? > The USA Congressmen ? > The ICANN board ? > The GAC ? > The IRAC ? > The DNSO Names Council ? > The General Assambly ? None of the above. The stakeholders must do this collectively. The GA can help. But the rest are circumspect or in collusion with these "Errors" as you put it, Javier. They are really not errors though, the were deliberate acts. > > > Who has the dutie of review, validate, and correct the errors ? They have already been validated, so that part is already complete. It is the Stakeholders in conjunction with the NTIA to correct these errors immediately. Not sweep them under the rug, as you seem to be suggesting here. > > We can not live thinking there has been errors in this process... > We invest a lot of time building the ICANN... we can invest a few > days more to check if EVERYTHING has been according with > the ICANN law, and if there has been a violation then we can > search for a way to fix it. ICANN is NOT law. It only has bylaws that must be checked or kept in check by ICANN members which are not in place yet, hence it falls to the stakeholders to correct in conjunction, again, with the NTIA. > > > At least I expect the NC secretariat to pronunce officially what is > the NC voice over the election process and if there has been a > violation of the ICANN by laws. The NC secretariat is part of the problem and in addition is not legitimate, which has already been pointed out as well. Hence any thing the NC secretariat is invalid or not of significance. > > > Regards, > > Javier > > At 19/10/99 4:56:00 PM, you wrote: > >Michael and all, > > > > Democracy issues aside here Michael. Isn't it obvious that > >the ICANN and the DNSO have continually defied the precepts > >of the White Paper and violated the MoU? Many believe that > >both the ICANN and the DNSO have done exactly that. And really > >this is the central issue of this tragedy and farce of an election > >that the DNSO has held ending October 8th has shown very > >clearly and concisely. > > > >Michael Sondow wrote: > > > >> Javier Rodriguez escribio: > >> > > >> > This thing is something that would be neccesary to discuss... > >> > some ideas ? > >> > >> Are you really so naive, Mr. Rodriguez, that you don't yet > >> understand that all of ICANN's processes are fraught with > >> irregularities, so that nothing that has been done by it or its > >> subunits could pass the simplest test of legitimacy and democratic > >> procedure? > >> > >> Weren't some DNSO candidates illicitly nominated by persons with no > >> legitimate claim to participation in the DNSO or its constituencies? > >> > >> Isn't the process by which the Names Council rather than the General > >> Assembly chooses the DNSO's Board seats in contradiction with the > >> DNSO's founding principles? (I was in Singapore and was present at > >> the debate and consensus-taking over this very point.) > >> > >> Aren't the Names Council members themselves illegitimately chosen, > >> since it was they who determined the composition of their own > >> constituencies, which elected them to the Names Council? > >> > >> Haven't the ICANN bylaws beeng continually rewritten to fit an > >> illegitimate and indefensible situation - in which there is no > >> bottom-up representation but exactly the contrary - post facto and > >> apres coup (if I may mix metaphors and languages)? > >> > >> Why do you want, now, to discuss the removal of the new DNSO Board > >> members from the NC? Because you naively still believe that due > >> process means anything in this ludicrous insult to democracy? > >> Because you want to still believe? Or because you want to cover up > >> their and your sins? > >> > >> > >So, now that Mr.s Cohen and Abril have been officially elected to > >> > >the ICANN BoD, may we expect that they'll immediately step down from > >> > >their positions on the DNSO NC? It's required by ICANN bylaws. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >When will the Registrars and IP Constituencies be holding elections > >> > >to replace these NC members? What is the timetable for them to do so? > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org > >> Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 > >> ============================================================ > > > >Regards, > > > >-- > >Jeffrey A. Williams > >Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) > >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. > >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > >E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Javier Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AXISNET > Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs > Other duties: eCOM-LAC ISOC-PERU IPCE > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
