Ken and all,
Thank you Ken for your comments again in response to Esther
Dyson here. Quite good, and very accurate historically.
Ken Freed wrote:
> Esther --
>
> Your attitude disenfanchises billions. Your distrust of the masses
> is misplaced. I believe educated people will make the right choices.
> You'd apparently rather side with those who prefer the masses be
> kept ignorant. more easily led around by the nose. Your remarks to
> me in our interview a few years ago do not jive with your views now.
> Does absolute power truly corrupt absolutely? If so, I'm saddened.
> I invite you to return to the ideas and ideals you that inspired EFF.
>
> The reference to feminism alludes to the "boys and their toys"
> power-play by the old boys network, WTO on down, which you
> seem to be supporting via your blindness to how the men of
> business have so often patted little girls on the head and told
> them to go away. Can it be that you're so thrilled to have been
> let into the boy's club that you now begin to behave like them?
> I'm reminded of the closing scene in Orwell's "Animal Farm"
> where the pigs and farmers start to look alike. Have a truffle.
> Why keep ignoring that the ICANN power players are just little
> boys trying to compensate for never feeling loved by Mommy?
> Look around at the WTO meeting this week. Open your eyes.
> Stop denying the discomfort in your soul, Esther. Walk away.
>
> The Internet is public property; its future requires a public vote.
> Privatization without a vote is a violation of our natural rights.
> No one ever voted for ICANN. It is an illegitimate regime.
>
> -- ken
>
> >Ken, I've already said most of what I have to say, and you can go find it
> >and repeat it as well as I can.
> >
> >I think ICANN is heading in more or less the right direction despite its
> >many imperfections, and I want to help make it better. It is not governing
> >the world, and god forbid *anything* should be put to a global vote. It is
> >trying to organize bottom-up courtesy of the people most concerned with the
> >Net's infrastructure, and draw them in through outreach. It implements its
> >policies through contracts, not by "governing."
> >
> >(PS - what on earth does feminism, whatever that is, have to do with any of
> >this?)
> >
> >Esther
> >
> >At 09:23 pm 11/23/1999 -0700, Ken Freed wrote:
> >>Esther --
> >>
> >>May I offer a general observation on your IFWP postings?
> >>Terse retorts to report fragments avoid the larger issues.
> >>Many would welcome a more meaningful exchange here.
> >>
> >>Will you address the legitimacy of a governance body that's
> >>presuming to govern without the consent of the governed?
> >>There has never been a global vote giving permission
> >>for ICANN to become our global Internet government.
> >>
> >>How can you, a freedom advocate, a feminist, remain
> >>blind to ICANN as the toy of boys who would be kings?
> >>Are you fooling yourself into thinking your values rule?
> >>Will generations yet unborn praise or condemn you?
> >>
> >>Read your own words about the values needed today.
> >>http://www.media-visions.com/dyson.html. Good stuff.
> >>
> >>Walk away, Esther. Be the one who saves the world.
> >>
> >>-- ken
> >>
> >>_________________________________________________
> >>
> >>Our Visions Create the Media as the Media Create our Visions.
> >>_________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>>We are not sending anyone (or if we are, it's news to me, and I should
> >>>know). Why should we?
> >>>
> >>>Esther Dyson
> >>>
> >>>At 04:40 pm 11/22/1999 +0100, Mark R Measday wrote:
> >>>>Is is possible to know what representations ICANN has made, or which
> >>>>observers have been sent by ICANN to the WTO conference in Seattle next
> >>>>month?
> >>>>
> >>>>MM
> >>>>Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;
> >>>> name="measday.vcf"
> >>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>>>Content-Description: Card for Mark R Measday
> >>>>Content-Disposition: attachment;
> >>>> filename="measday.vcf"
> >>>>
> >>>>Attachment Converted: C:\EUDORA\measda11.vcf
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> >>>chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >>>chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>1 (212) 924-8800 -- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax
> >>>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >>>New York, NY 10011 USA
> >>>http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
> >>>
> >>>PC Forum: 12 to 15 March 2000, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
> >>>Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital age"
> >>>High-Tech Forum in Europe: October 2000, where would you like it?
> >>>Barcelona, Edinburgh, Istanbul, other?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> >chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >1 (212) 924-8800 -- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax
> >104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >New York, NY 10011 USA
> >http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
> >
> >PC Forum: 12 to 15 March 2000, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
> >Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital age"
> >High-Tech Forum in Europe: October 2000, where would you like it?
> >Barcelona, Edinburgh, Istanbul, other?
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