It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time.
The network as William says is a medium. It's people and connections that matter. And I found it's much more valuable to meet them in person. -- Kyle Gonzales Sent from my mobile On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Nathan Hamiel <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 10:26 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: >>> >>> Let's also not forget that Twitter and Facebook just helped overthrow a >>> couple of governments, so not all babble is pointless ;) >> >> Pretty sure the concept of coup d'état was well established long before >> Twitter or Facebook. People just use the tools at their disposal given >> the times. >> >> Back in the day papyrus might have done what Twitter and Facebook are >> doing in a much more modern and high tech way. At some point in time >> papyrus was high tech, as many other things. >> > > Oh wow, you do live in a bubble. I am not sure why you threw the papyrus > reference in there, you have to know that is complete BS. First of all in > the days of papyrus most people couldn't read much less have a basic > education. Not only that but there wasn't an instant one to many and then > shortly after a many to many relationship with written data. That is > massively huge and enormously large :) > > Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a way > not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way about the > government or your living conditions and have no idea that thousands of > people around you also feel the same way. Then you find out that all over > your country feel the same way. You may have kept it to yourself. You may > not have been aware that the government dragged someone a few blocks away > out of their house kicking and screaming never to be seen again. That's the > power of socially connecting to people on the Internet. Hell, most news > stories are broken on Twitter before you see them on the evening news. These > facts are pretty undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) > > >> Or another contrast, someone using Twitter at all. I am pretty proud >> that I have never. :) >> > > Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say things > like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social network > until you use it. The value of your social network experience is based on > who you are connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize > this is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I > think you would be surprised. > > Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends up on > something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful to you that > might not make it to something like Slashdot? In some ways by not being a > Twitter user you are losing out. In some ways participating in Twitter > allows you to directly connect with developers of a project or other experts > in your field. > > Take the security community for instance, you may find out about new tools > an techniques long before other people find out about them. You may even > find information that his helpful that never gets published to a news > aggregator. I turn a lot of security people on to Twitter for these very > same reasons. > > I fail to see how any of this is a drawback. Often people are going through > massive amounts of information and giving you the useful highlights. That is > a HUGE advantage to someone like me who stays pretty busy. So you are still > saying this collaborative community is something that you are proud to not > participate in? > >> The bigger point is that a large majority of people just have nothing >>> interesting to say, so they just say anything in order not to be silent. >> I >>> just wish people would understand that it's ok not to say anything for a >> few >>> days on Twitter. The planet will still keep spinning and everyone will >> still >>> be able to move on. >> >> The same could be said for blogging, and most of the social >> media/networking world. Surely some good, amongst all the useless babble >> and opinions. >> > > Once again though, it depends on the people you socially connect with. The > people with the useless babble probably wouldn't be the people you would > follow every day. For a blog, you just wouldn't read it if it provided no > value to you. > > >>> There is far worse research out there. I can see where some company >> looking >>> at a social network presence may be interested in this type of data. I >>> personally wouldn't do it, but oh well. >> >> Its just ironic considering the companies they are researching or built >> around have yet to grab a profitable footing and still feeling their >> way, making their mark on the world. Just wondering if any money is >> being made from all the wheel spinning. Sure seems like a whole lot of >> time is being wasted. > > > Not just some money an ass-load of money. This is a huge area of next > generation marketing. This is the future so it seems reasonable that people > would foot some research in to it. Now, even though I have a Facebook > account, I don't like Facebook at all. The only thing I do on Facebook is > talk politics and call my friends horrible names, but there are people out > there who consider Facebook the "Internet". Almost the same way that people > used to think of AOL as the Internet back in the day. They get everything > they want to do online from Facebook and don't really need to go anywhere > else. This is a driver for marketing people and pretty easy to see why they > are throwing money at it. > > -- > *Nathan Hamiel* > http://hexsec.com > <http://hexsec.com>http://twitter.com/nathanhamiel > blog: www.neohaxor.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
