On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:37 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: > > Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have > computers got their neighbors who didn't involved.
They tried to start the same in Iran a few years back, and what was the outcome of that? Again they just used resources available at the time. If there was no Twitter or social networks. Its very likely Egypt would have had a revolt at some point, if not sooner than later. Its all speculative. > News as I was referring to is not "reported news" or "journalistic > new", although sometimes that is what it is. It could be that a > Tsunami just it or that someone is giving a talk at a certain time. > It's all technically news although not all newsworthy, if that makes > sense. Just because it isn't newsworthy doesn't mean it isn't news. Sure, but even if you use it in broad terms. You see the stats/facts coming out of Twitter. Even if they are way off, its still a small amount of good information, in the midst of a tremendous amount of information that may be of no relevance, value, or use. > Not all social networking is public. The aspects that are private concern me even more. What are these companies doing with the data they have access to. I would not assume they ignore it ;) > I would almost venture to say that not connecting socially could hurt > you tomorrow. Why? I can always start, and then what disadvantage am I at? > So far from all I have seen the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks in > many cases. What drawbacks? Again we haven't even had a decade of social networking yet. The consequences are still way off in the future. Considering how much of the net gets archived, snap shots. You have no idea what might come back to haunt you down the line. We are still in the beginning. > Say for instance in the unlikely event someone loses a job, their > connections could open doors for them. People have lost their jobs, and that was not the outcome for them. It made it much more difficult to move forward. I have had it happen to people I know, both men and women. Challenges afterward were the same. Heck didn't a senator just resign for taking/sending a topless pic of himself. That was a form of social interaction, if not part of some network. Perfect case in point, information that would not do you any good if faced with public scrutiny. > Many jobs never get posted out because of referrals. That's just one > case in particular. Your social presence could actually benefit people > as well as you gaining benefit from them. I know, I know, that's in a > perfect world. There are always asshats out there, but still there are > many benefits. I never said there weren't any benefits. But no one is talking about the potential drawbacks. Which I think are some what considerable, and unforeseen by most these days. > Once again, it's you sharing the data. If you have a bunch of pictures > of yourself smoking a bowl on your social network, then yea there may > be some repercussions. Its not even illegal activities. Long ago my uncle owned Shades Night Club in Orange Park. One night the camera person took a picture of a state trooper having a few drinks. He was not drunk, nor committing a crime. Those pictures got posted to the website, and his boss saw them and it was not a good day. The pictures came down, and the trooper kept his job ;) That was before Twitter, and I think a few years before Facebook was publicly available. Given the club closed in 2006, I think these events took place in 2005. > You know, I just thought of something I think it has to do with the > speed and delivery of information. In the security world minutes > count. Knowing something first can mean you are better protected or > better at exploitation. The jobs security people have today probably > won't be the jobs we have in 4 or 5 years. Maybe it's that speed and > need for adaptation that makes this style of communication so > attractive. Not many jobs have that requirement or have things change > almost daily. A private IRC channel can do the same and even more. Not limited to 150 characters. But yes speed is of the essence with certain types of communication. Just the same if its social hype, that rumor can spread ridiculously fast, and do damage, before anyone even finds out its not legit. That has happened as well to a few people I recall reading about. > I am going to throw my second Wow of the day in here. You just > compared Twitter to IRC. They have two totally different purposes. > Otherwise people wouldn't use IRC and also have Twitter accounts. Or just stick to IRC and never have a Twitter account, as a quite many I work with ;) > IRC is basically just group chatting. First of all, only a small > amount of people even use IRC. Wow talk about bubbles, you really think that is the case? Do you realize how most Linux distributions come about these days? Might want to research their #1 form of communication, and thats for just about any distro. > Secondly, people are more mobile than they have ever been so they are > constantly on their mobile devices. Only a handful of sadists use IRC > on their phone ;) Total bs, I have seen people using IRC on their phone since the first time I went to Linux World, like in 2001. Back then just blackberries, but since, everything else... > IRC still serves a purpose but it is antiquated and from a different > generation. Once again different bubbles, I would not underestimate the usefulness, importance, and relevance of IRC at this very moment. Much less going forward in the future. > It's like using a landline from a hand-crank phone and then blurting > something out to the operator. Ok so it's not that bad, but the point > is you aren't going to get breaking news from IRC. Yes, happens all the time ;) > 3rd people in IRC channels are usually there for a purpose and that > purpose may be short lived. I have problem X, problem X gets solved > and now log off. Not true, I have lived in that world for many years now.... > Also what about projects you care about and decision makers a vast > majority of these people aren't on IRC. Oh yes they are, its how I got most work done in Gentoo and with any FOSS project. I go find developers and have a conversation with them in IRC. You really have no idea the amount of work being done this very moment via IRC. Its tremendous! > You can follow them on Twitter and get insights in to what they are > working on. Not at all, I cannot follow most of the developers I have and do work with. Its simply not even an option, and limited to 150 characters. > What about something simple such as getting updates about something > you use. For example, Dropbox. I use Dropbox sometimes they will Tweet > if they have an outage or if they are working on some cool new > feature. That is a benefit that you just can't get from something like > IRC. They are WILDLY different and made for two different purposes. What Linux distro uses Twitter to communicate between developers and users? Compared to how many use IRC. > Wow <- That's my third of the day. Just think about if Twitter existed > back then. Its not practical to getting work done. Starting to wonder what all work you are doing thinking Twitter is so relevant. Despite the facts showing there is very little content of value in the Twitterverse. > The landscape may be drastically different than we see today. There > may have been an appeal from many more people. Just think of the > industrial revolution, we survived perfectly fine prior to that but > look how much we advanced afterward. I don't think it would have changed a thing. Because again most the developers I work with, if they have such. They do not use Twitter as part of their development. If anything blogs and such, and usually of technical nature with some opinions. But for real, if techies and developers were really using Twitter for good purposes. The stats would be very different. However that is not the case. The facts in stats speak for themselves. > > Absolutely not. You have the completely wrong viewpoint of this. Its not right or wrong, its my opinion. We each have one :) > That vulnerability exists whether it's disclosed or not. The problem > is, when it isn't disclosed the handful of people who do know about it > can go around exploiting at will without anyone's knowledge. It's > better to know and protect then be oblivious and get exploited. It's > the organization's responsibility to properly write code. The > disclosure of a vulnerability often puts pressure on the organization > who coded it to fix it in a timely fashion. There have been some > vulnerabilities disclosed to vendors that go over a year without being > fixed. The whole time you were vulnerable to attack and they never > informed you. If there is one thing that needs to be out in the open > it's security related items. That's the only way everyone can > benefit. You do realize that the world does not work this way. If any Linux disto gets a bug report disclosing a vulnerability that is not addressed yet. That bug will be made private to only the security team and developers that need to know. I have seen this countless times with Gentoo, and other entities. Otherwise you hand those looking to do harm the instructions as to how to exploit something, that there is no way to protect or prevent yet. > It depends. Technology people are a bit better than the average user > about providing useful information. That's one of the things previous > people did not have a look at. How do you provide useful information in 150 characters? I can't even get context in most sms messages as a result. Not to mention using horrible syntax, making up my own language, or as some call it txt msg jargon. > I do it every day without being overloaded. Your probably not taking in the other information that I am daily. Every human has their limits. Its why presidents age so fast after they leave and while in office. Total overload of information and other things, and they get summaries and briefs. If they knew it all, dead :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
