Perhaps "self" can NOT be used as a regular? Rebol word: >> x: make object! [a: 1 b: 2 ] >> type? x == object! >> x: make object! [a: 1 b: 2 sel: 3] >> type? x == object! >> x: make object! [a: 1 b: 2 self: 3] == 3 >> type? x == integer! Mystery abounds, Don