I'd like to point out that kind of spam is usually single-use, with the email address being used once, or *maybe* one day-ish, then not seen again, discarded in favor of another address, another mailing list, another mailing list server altogether.
(Yeah, I have 800 unread mails in my pile, but I'm following this thread closely, for no reason ^^' ) Roger / Alphos > Le 10 mai 2021 à 21:35, Katie Chan <k...@ktchan.info> a écrit : > > Historically, there were multiple cases where spams were sent with faked > From: email address of existing list members. Any solution will need to not > end up blocking innocent members. > > Regards, > > KTC > >> On 10/05/2021 17:51, Adithya K wrote: >> I have a suggestion to this. I think list admins can be provided with two >> options: one, to block a person only from the specific list and two, to >> block the user from all the mailing lists. Not sure whether it can be >> implemented. >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:10 PM effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com >> <mailto:effeietsand...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I was indeed thinking of multiple lists confirming the same >> behavior. But that will never fully exclude Asaf's concerns. >> The use case I'm thinking about is not the individual annoying user >> (no rush with that) but rather the spammer that sends the same spam >> to all kinds of mailing lists. For that, some automated process >> would speed up things considerably, and avoid cluttering the system. >> There may be better solutions to address this though. >> Lodewijk >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:04 AM Dimitar Dimitrov >> <dimitar.dimit...@wikimedia.de >> <mailto:dimitar.dimit...@wikimedia.de>> wrote: >> Yes, some global & human review seems necessary. >> Maybe a higher threshold would make sense. E.g. if a user gets >> blocked on two or three lists, then a global block is triggered. >> На сб, 8.05.2021 г. в 14:20 ч. Asaf Bartov >> <abar...@wikimedia.org <mailto:abar...@wikimedia.org>> написа: >> (This could also be an attack vector, though. >> Imagine a local conflict resulting in list admin A marking >> person B's posts as spam on that local list, effectively >> silencing person B across all Wikimedia lists. >> Without mitigation against that [e.g. a global review queue >> of marked spam before it becomes a global block], I would be >> wary of such a feature.) >> A. >> On Sat, 8 May 2021, 02:05 Kunal Mehta <lego...@debian.org >> <mailto:lego...@debian.org>> wrote: >> On 5/7/21 3:04 PM, effe iets anders wrote: >> > With the new mailman, I'm really excited to see >> global bans. Is there >> > already some workflow we're supposed to follow to >> mark spam? It would be >> > great if listadmins could mark stuff as spam and that >> would then trigger >> > global bans somehow if it happened multiple times. I >> know I can file a >> > ticket, but want to make sure we first arrive on a >> desirable solution >> > before we throw it into the dev's lap(s) :) >> Yeah, that would be really nice. In the past this has >> been proposed as >> "Allow list admins to train spam filters"[1] after GNOME >> patched their >> Mailman to do so. >> Upstream mailman3 has a bug for this as well[2], where >> they suggest that >> a plugin could be written for this. If someone writes >> said plugin and it >> works, we can definitely deploy/enable it. >> In the meantime I would suggest if you notice a new spam >> problem, post >> here, see if other list admins also say they're having >> similar problems, >> and then we sysadmins can take action. >> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244241 >> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244241> >> [2] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/88 >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/88> >> -- Kunal > > > > -- > Katie Chan > Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is > associated with or employed by. > > > Experience is a good school but the fees are high. > - Heinrich Heine > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > Listadmins mailing list -- listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to listadmins-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To > request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in > Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list -- listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to listadmins-le...@lists.wikimedia.org By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
