CK wrote:

Hi,

Perhaps I was vague. I need examples of good CSS/Table designs. I've got the CSS layout sites bookmarked, and visited to the point of fraying the pages :)


CK
On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Paul Novitski wrote:

At 06:15 AM 7/30/2006, CK wrote:

A client who is clinging to the web of yore, is still insisting on
tables being used for layout.  It is the misconception tables provide
greater browser compatibility, the client supports IE 5.X for MAC OS.



Actually, I think table-based layout DOES provide cross-browser consistency as your client maintains. The argument against tables for layout isn't that they don't render consistently cross-browser but that they don't fit non-tabular data semantically, they can obfuscate content for non-visual readers, their layouts are rigid and unresizable, and, because they hard-wire presentation in the HTML markup, they create a site-maintenance boondoggle down the road.

Even if your client doesn't care about semantics and is insensitive to the needs of the visually impaired, you might be able to persuade them that their long-term website expenses will be reduced significantly if they let you separate content from presentation today.

Unfortunately for your argument, your client's short-term web development expenses might be less if you use tables, unless you've already become good enough at CSS layout that you can whip Mac IE 5.x into line without hours of trial & error.

There are many sites that feature CSS layout examples. To know which ones can replace tables effectively for this project you'll need to define your layout goals. Which aspects of table-based layout does your client consider important? A list of those attributes will help point you to the appropriate CSS layout techniques that will satisfy you both.

Regards,
Paul


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Since I see your last request for clean table designs, is it an issue of your not being very strong with CSS? I mean, any big site out there, e.g. http://target.com will be made with tables and feature a nice layout. Your job is to simple copy the code, add a border to the tables, open in a GUI, remove the superfluous nested tables and use your CSS to fill in the gaps.

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