Christian Montoya wrote:
On 1/10/07, Rob O'Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hassan Schroeder wrote:
> Steve Green wrote:
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>> We do a lot of user testing with screen reader users,...
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>> Also Flash movies are made in layers.
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> Have you tested any (non-timelined) Flex-based sites or apps?
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Just my two pence but I think what you really need to do is add an audio
layer to that flash site. As an example one of the sites we host (its
not at all accessible code-wise) has audio to say hello and indicate
what you can do on a page. I think similar use of audio on that site to
read it from the flash would be a nice touch. Then it'd be accessible to
blind users who don't have a screenreader too (...they must exist)

I see a lot of problems with that idea. For one thing, audio content
is a very heavy-handed way of working around the lack of a
screenreader, especially for those with dial-up. It's also incorrect
to assume that there are any blind people who can reach your website
but not have some tool for "reading" the screen, be that a
screenreader or braile display or w/e. Chances are if the user can
reach your site, then they must have something assisting them.

Ha! - good point. I could say I was thinking of those who use zoom features but it'd be BS =P

It's an interesting thing that a screen-reader or assistive device wouldn't take any extra audio source on a page into account, the methods for adding any audio are typically via css or flash aren't they? It'd be good if the screen reader manufacturers added some control over it when it does happen, seeing as it can have such a big impact on accessibility.

Finally, you are assuming that you can guess the best audio speed for
blind users. If you have ever seen a blind person using a
screenreader, you would know that many of them set the audio speed to
something much faster than the average person speaks.
An audio description of a page would be much slower than most blind people
would have it read to them by a screenreader.

Audio descriptions are good when used to make captchas more
accessible, but providing them for entire web pages just doesn't sound
like the best solution.

Well I didn't mean the ENTIRE web page, an introduction perhaps. Point is I wasn't thinking, what I suggested was kinda like getting flash to do a crap job of being a screen-reader... anyway.

Back on the topic of Mihael's website I think it's all been said, he's got his work cut out!

Cheers,
Rob



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