Marilyn feels personally responsible in saving the sinking ship. In listening to and reading K, he does appear to be asking each person to act in bringing about change. After all, K did appeal to and encourage individuals to help at his schools and foundations. Merv's contention - that K didn't mean what we think he meant - is reasonable also. Was K talking to me, Yiming Zhang, the Chinese person who the Buddha said is an illusion? Or was K appealing to me, that conscious state that is not robotic or hypnotic. The claim that we are unconscious deserves investigation. This brings us back to Marilyn. Does she think K meant what he didn't mean, or not?
________________________________ From: Merv <m...@dslextreme.com> To: marilyn meadors <marilynmead...@hotmail.com>; listening-l@zrz.tu-berlin.de Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 5:50:59 PM Subject: Re: Problem of Life That is not K's statement. It is something from someone else. If K did say it, he did not mean what you think he meant. You cannot take responsibility since you are largely unconscious. It is a matter of waking up to something within that has been lost. ----- Original Message ----- >From: marilyn meadors >To: merv ; listening-l@zrz.tu-berlin.de >Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:28 >Subject: RE: Problem of Life > > >"Krishnamurti shows that taking personal responsibility for our actions and >reactions—in our relationships >and in our lives—is the necessary first step toward a global view." From the >article yiming sent a link to. > >This is the only thing you need to do, and it doesn't "just happen" -- bam! > >I still, after 12 or 13 years, do now see why you are on a Krishnamruti list. > >Marilyn >________________________________ From: m...@dslextreme.com >To: marilynmead...@hotmail.com; listening-l@zrz.tu-berlin.de >Subject: Re: Problem of Life >Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:52:29 -0700 > > >Actually we are not responsible for our sinking ship. It just happens. > >However you are not too bright. >----- Original Message ----- >>From: marilyn meadors >>To: merv ; listening-l@zrz.tu-berlin.de >>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 07:58 >>Subject: RE: Problem of Life >> >> >> In merv's world, it's always them other guys--they are the bad ones. >>He can't see that he is responsible for the sinking ship. >> >> >> >>> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 06:38:57 -0700 >>> From: m...@dslextreme.com >>> To: listening-l@zrz.TU-Berlin.DE >>> Subject: Problem of Life >>> >>> The problem with life is that we are hypnotized by our environment. >>> >>> We pick up problems from those around us since childhood. >>> >>> If we work to throw off the hypnotic state we live in, we fail because >>> we are what is observed. >>> We just move the chairs around on the deck of the Titanic. >>> >>> If we can becomes still in a right way, something new might enter and >>> change things, allowing us to see >>> things that need to be seen. Awareness dispels the hypnotic state. >>> >>> I know of no other way. Negating everything in an attempt to be >>> different does not work. It is an act of will. >>> >>> - >>> >>> email 'unsubscribe listening-l' or 'subscribe listening-l' or 'info >>>listening-l' >>> >>> to <majord...@zrz.tu-berlin.de> in the body of the message >>
