I think you should be able to get it to work some way or other. Just a question 
of what materials and components work together well in you environment. Easy 
concept, but it could bite you in a number of ways, so it might be well to 
"design for failure". 

Ie. put it together in such a way that various parts can be replaced w/as low a 
cost as possible - looking particularly at the costs of pulling parts of the 
boat apart to get in and do the core job. Eg. don't lay the "floor" under the 
settee or cabinets - cuz you might have to pull it up; don't run the tube in 
ways that make it impossible to replace w/out removing the refrigerator; run 
the tube in ways that you can isolate one zone if there's a leak in another (if 
possible).

You mention 35%+ humidity. I'm not certain, but that sounds higher than the 
standard assumed for a home environment and thus the materials may not give the 
same performance as in a land-based installation. I'm thinking especially of 
the "engineered" floor. 

A heating pro should be able to calculate the BTU's (although you're going to 
have to dicker w/him becuz his outlines just don't include boats!) you need and 
also the BTU load that a particular length and diameter of tubing would put on 
the furnace. Then you want 
to ask whether the furnace can keep up with it and also whether it cares about 
the return temperature of fluid.

W/out good insulation _under_ the tubing you're going to heat the bilge as much 
as the cabin.

You need to lay out the tubing in a way that heats surfaces that "face" you and 
are not covered or shadowed by furniture or gear. Walls and overhead are fair 
game in this layout. Again, insulate the side that doesn't need heat. As I 
understand it, radiant heat's primary impact is when it heats the occupants. It 
sometimes raises the temperature of surrounding objects and structure but that 
is a side affect and not how you realize the benefits. Radiant is all about how 
it _feels_, not what the air temperature actually is. In order to feel it, the 
radiant heat must fall directly on you.

One way you might integrate the radiant w/the hydronic while allowing different 
temperatures is by using a small tank (10gal? - ask the heating guys) with a 
temperature controlled valve and/or pump which circulates hot water from the 
heater into the tank only when needed to keep the tank at good radiant 
temperature. A separate pump circulates the contents of the tank through the 
tubing. Although it sounds weird, if the tank is the right size and has 4 
connections this will act like two separate systems even thought they have a 
common fluid. There may also be a way to use a "tempering" valve to achieve 
this - ask the heating guy.

I mention the above because I think you may need way different temperatures in 
the two systems.

But I see no reason at all why you can't make this work; stuff like this has 
been done. Just arrange it so it fails gracefully because you're kinda doing a 
prototype here and you'd like to keep as much of it operating as possible when 
some little thing goes phzzt. I think the part that will be hardest to fix or 
change would be the furnace. So get a handle on the BTU requirements and also 
on the manner in which the furnace operates most efficiently. Eg. runs at least 
10 minutes at a time, fluid temperature drops at least or not more than xzy 
degrees, fluid flows at least 1/2 feet/sec but not more than 2 feet/sec, needs 
(or not) pressure spike protection from valves opening and shutting - stuff 
like that; then design the plumbing and controls so the furnace is happy, the 
radiant tubing is happy and the radiators are happy.  Oh, and install it so you 
can get the air out of the system somehow w/out a big hassle - cuz you'll 
likely be doing it a few times before everything is pea!
 chy. And make a way to drain it quickly and easily and save the fluid, cuz 
ditto.

Sounds like fun!. <g>

If you want to try for some _real_ expert opinion, go to www.heatinghelp.com. 
Could be your idea would catch some interest there.


Rufus


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Radiant Heat for the boat
> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:29:51 EST
> 
> 
> 
> We are looking at either engineered wood or laminate... They say it 
> works... Also, we are at 35-40% humidity so far in the boat with 
> the dehumidifier running 24/7 too. not done researching, but not a 
> lot of floor either really.
> 
> Noel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Fri, 21 December 2007 11:15:52
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Radiant Heat for the boat
> 
> This has an exteme drying/shrinking effect on a wood floor.  The 
> wood will pick up moisture in he summer.  Usually better over a 
> different surface in a house.
> 
> Noel Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> N.Y. RUSSELL
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> 
> 1. involves a liquid
> 
> We already have the coolant circulating in the boat. Just another 
> way to use the heat generated by the furnace.
> 
> 2. takes a while to heat up an area, not a quick response
> 
> I intend on using this with the blowers in the hydronic system. 
> They should be able to supplement themselves.
> 
> at least I hope so
> 
> Noel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, 19 December 2007 13:39:31
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Radiant Heat for the boat
> 
> Problem with radiant heat is !. involves a liquid 2. takes a while 
> to heat up an area, not a quick response
> See you on the Waterway
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