Mmmm, true in some cases & not true in others... Case in point: Many countries require that you relinquish your firearm upon entry into the country for safekeeping at your initial port of entry. This in itself makes your firearm pretty useless, sitting nicely in some officer's drawer [really safe there!] And now for the kicker: you can, in these instances, typically only collect your firearm from the SAME port of entry when you try to leave the country again. Kinda makes the whole exercise of entering the country up north, and then sailing south, pointless...
Johan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lets go sailing Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] recent info about Venezuela If you have the proper permits from ATFB you are not a criminal. If the firearms are declared upon arrival you are just an other ship with firearms on board. You must have the means of safely storing this firearms and have them locked out of sight. Yanni Marinated S/V Princess Thalia Columbia 8.7 #73 Hamilton-Fifty Point @ H3 N 43.13.406 W 73.37.431 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] recent info about Venezuela > On VZ threats to cruisers: > > We have good friends with 3 yrs at anchor at Isla Margarita > and who today are in Los Rocques. They report that > there is not the danger its hyped up to be. They are > still not any more concerned than they would be anywhere > else. > > On having a means to protect yourself: > > By all means, but think twice about having firearms if > you are moving into an area where possession of a firearm > or ammo can result in your jailing and the forfeiture of > your vessel. In the recent past even cruisers in the > US Virgin Islands have been hauled into criminal court > when weapons were reported on board. > > Ed > > Ed Kelly (& Sue Kelly) > USSV Angel Louise - a Catalac catamaran lying Portsmouth, NH > Our Skype Phone (202) 657-6357 > Email: EdKelly ("at" symbol) netins.net > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 8:46 AM, lets go sailing wrote: > > It is another example that guns for self defence on board are > part of our lives. > Everyone and I mean EVERYONE cruising on questionable or not areas > should take firearms safety course and how to handle firearms. > If you think that cruising safely around the world is handing out > some cheap > gifts > to natives and aborigines you should not leave the dock. > It is part of life like food and water. You better accept it for your > own > safety and > your families. > Everyone has a duty todefend their life and their loved ones. > It is like eating healthy food to stay healthy. It is your duty and > obligation. > > > > Yanni Marinated > S/V Princess Thalia > Columbia 8.7 #73 > Hamilton-Fifty Point @ H3 > N 43.13.406 > W 73.37.431 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Densler, Vernon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] recent info about Venezuela > > >> I think a 50 cal mounted to the bow is probably better than the dog. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken James >> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:33 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] >> Subject: [Liveaboard] recent info about Venezuela >> >> I received this from someone who is cruising the >> Carib right now. I fwd with permission. >> Anybody else been in that part of the world >> recently that can comment? -Ken >> >> >> Hi Ken, >> <snip> >> If you know someone planning to sail to the south >> eastern carribean, especially Venezuela, I would >> suggest they check out Jimmy Cornell's Noonsite >> and the Carribean Safety and Security Net >> websites. We have been lucky so far. Several >> boats we know here have been robbed while their >> owners were beaten and held with guns to their >> heads. Others have been shot. Everyone has had >> something stolen. The day our stuff was stolen a >> Dutch couple were in their dingy returning to >> their boat when one of the many pirogues that >> continuosly buzz through the anchorage at full >> speed ran them down killing him. Three armed men >> tried to enter the marina next to the anchorage >> and in a shootout one of the bad guys was hit twice. >> >> A dog onboard might help but we just read in the >> Carribean Compass that a boat with a dog was >> recently robbed. They shot the dog in the leg >> then stabbed it before beating and robbing the >> couple. Her hand was serously injured when they >> tried to rip off her wedding ring. Fortunately >> the dog survived and the ring was so tight they >> left it. >> >> There is no law enforcement here and no help can >> be expected from the authorities. We will be >> leaving tomorrow and had planned to stop at Los >> Rochies but learned from the web sites above that >> the La Costa Guardia themselves have been robbing >> yachts there. We will sail at night without >> lights to Bonaire. >> >> I really really hate to spread negative >> information but in my opinion if you know someone >> planning to sail here you must talk them out of it. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Liveaboard mailing list >> [email protected] >> To adjust your membership settings over the web >> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >> To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ >> >> To search the archives >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Liveaboard mailing list >> [email protected] >> To adjust your membership settings over the web >> http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >> To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ >> >> To search the archives >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: >> 25/08/2008 >> 7:05 AM >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web http:// > www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/ > [email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/ > mailman/mailman-member/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: 25/08/2008 > 7:05 AM > > > _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html The information transmitted is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or privileged material. 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