A thing most people are missing.  

The vent I just installed is primarily to supply air to the main engine so
I can close the ER hatch and reduce the noise underway.  

The fan is an addition for clearing the air in the ER in the case of a fire.

Because I will now close up the ER, I will need to move the smoke alarm,
which is now mounted just outside the ER open hatch, to inside the ER and
rig an alarm outside the ER I can hear at pretty much everywhere on the
boat.  

I could have simply held my breath while I jumped into the ER, but without
blowing the smoke away I could not see where to squirt the fire
extinguishing agent and I couldn't get a second breath.

The main thing that can burn in  the ER is wire insulation.  There are some
cardboard boxes but they are not near any wires.  There is paint on the
walls I suppose could burn.  I have a trash bucket full of oily rags.  I'd
better get a covered one.  And diesel fuel, but it would be hard to get it
going without a wick and a flame.  Normally the fuel is all under suction
until it gets to the engine itself, then under slight pressure back to the
tank.  No high pressure hoses or pipes to spray it on the exhaust pipes. 
Some water hoses but full of water probably would be really difficult to
get hot enough to burn.  Did you know you can boil water in a paper cup?


Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek
30 07.695N 081 38.484W



> [Original Message]
> From: Rosalie B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 10/5/2008 2:49:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] ER Fire Fighting
>
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:42:03 -0400, you wrote:
>
> It might be better to outfit yourself with breathing air (like
firefighters do
> with an SCBA which is NOT the same as SCUBA for underwater) instead of
supplying
> the air to the fire.   This will not help you see necessarily, but you
could use
> CO2 to blow the smoke away instead of blowing it away with air.
> >
> >If there is enough oxygen to enable me to breathe whilst I extinguish
the fire, there will be enough oxygen to enable the fire to burn.
> >
> >In order to put out an ER fire by starving it of oxygen, as they do on
the big ships, requires an air-tight ER and a large CO2 system to flood the
ER and drive all the oxygen out.  Even then, it doesn't always work all
that well.
> >I am from the Darth Vader school of defense, as in when the Death Star
was being attacked by the Rebels and Vader leaped into his fighter to
personally defend his ship.
> >
> I don't know that there is really going to be a GOOD solution to this. 
But if
> you have a CO and/or smoke and/or heat detector in the engine room that
might be
> a better way to go to detect the fire before the smoke got too dense to
see.
> Also you need to really evaluate what there is in the engine room that
will
> burn.  Since the basic boat is ferro-cement, it wouldn't be the same kind
of
> problem as a fiberglass boat, and the engine itself isn't going to burn.  
>
> As for smoke - you might be able to get the kind of smoke tubes that are
used
> for detecting air leaks in ventilation systems.  It is apt to be
irritating
> though so you might need a respirator to use it.
>
> >Norm
> >S/V Bandersnatch
> >Lying Julington Creek
> >30 07.695N 081 38.484W
> >
> >Isn't air (especially O2 one of the 3 legs of the fire triangle?
Wouldn't it be better to cut off all the air instead of introducing more?
Curious as I am always intrigued by Norm's ideas.
> >Noel
>
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