Noel is is more than that.. It is the local city's that want to control even the water.. In 2004 the city of St Pete got the state to deed them the land under a 'turning basin' but the Dali Musuem.. then they got a referendum passed quiety. I talked to many nurses aides I worked with.. most voted for it and not one knew what it really was.. it leased city property one of the few places a boat could anchor for a few weeks while waiting for repairs or parts. to the _privately_ owned marina next door.. a marina that was in the process of putting up condos across the street and then would kick out the current boaters for thier condo owners.. the deal struck mean that 10% of the slips would be open to the public.. ten percent of 100 hundred slips is 10 slips.. that is a load of hogwash.. the management of the harborage told its tenants that if they were vocal about opposition they would lose thier slips.. so people said nothing and this passed.. putting in a mooring field and charging for it creates more revenue.. otoh.. they stop anyone from even short term anchoring near it and in the case of stuart in 2004 the only dock non mooring field ppl were allowed to use in the city was a park across the river which closed at night and was, something like, a 2 mile walk to town..
This whole new law is a joke.. charmaine is correct..but the fact is the open water society, boatus and claiborne young have ''approved'' it and therefore in the publics eyes it must be good.. wonder what they got paid to come onboard.. I wish someone else wrote cruising guides.. I sure hate giving claiborne money after he sold us down the river.. along with the so called open water society.. hope they don't have the temerity to solicite money from me again.. oh well... florida does not really care if they lose the boating business anyway. or do they until it is too late to do anything about it.. laters. fair winds ya'll On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Noel Russell <[email protected]> wrote: > Ahhh, ummm charmnaine, > > Sorry we are ruining your view, We will now kindly remove this > monstrosity of a dwelling so you can park, no no, drop anchor in our view. > > Pretty sorry when one purchases a water view and never likes what is > upon it. Then again, look at whom is in that thar mansion... > > Noel > > Charmaine wrote: > > There is no clarification at all in Wayne Marshall's letter to Southwinds > as > > to why certain groups are backing HB 1423. But there's plenty to show why > no > > one should be backing it: NOTHING HAS CHANGED. > > > > First he states that cruisers' will not be > > defined as liveboards. That's not news > > or progress. That has been that way since July 2006 when Jeb Bush made > the > > differentiation between a non-liveaboard and a liveaboard. Nothing has > > changed, the definitions are the same as in 2006...but the confusion > still > > piles up. > > > > When something reads "other than liveaboards" it is referring to we > > cruisers! We're all that is left. Therefore, the section of the proposed > > legislation that begins "Notwithstanding the provisions of s. 327.60..." > > (that's the section that protects cruisers' rights to anchor and says we > are > > not subject to local ordinances against that right)... that's not a good > > thing as it means it is EXEMPT from the very law that protects us. > > > > Bottom line: the problem is the Pilot Program. It is still the ONLY > avenue > > by which cruising boats can be told to leave a mooring area and not > anchor > > there. > > > > Didn't Mr. Marshall see this fact? > > > > AGAIN: "Notwithstanding" means disregarding. It means that the powers > that > > be DO NOT have to abide by it. It means the very statute that protects > our > > rights to anchor will be null and void when it comes to the Pilot Program > > areas. > > > > I cannot be more BLUNT. Forgive me, but > > this is probably the most important issue > > of your boater lifetime. You have a voice and you will only use it if you > > understand what exactly is happening here. We MUST get this understood > for > > exactly what it is and act accordingly. > > > > It is this simple: If the Pilot Programs are not in place, then our > rights > > as boaters to navigation, anchorage, and safe harbor are NOT in jeopardy. > > > > WHY anyone would back House Bill 1423 the way it is is beyond me. We do > not > > have to go along with this. Will one person tell me just why they think > the > > Pilot Program is in the best interest of cruisers. Forget all else...just > > answer that one question. > > > > I can't think of one good reason for the > > Pilot Program except for doing the bidding > > of those so greedy they not only want to control the land but also the > > waters across from their condos and million dollar homes. They are the > ones > > the FWC > > referred to when they stated on their website the reason the Pilot > Program > > was added at the 13th hour (after all public forums) was "due to pressure > > from homeowners and some others." > > > > The FWC isn't trying to hide the motivation here. It is just that simple. > > > > Mr. Marshall, you are not being of help to clarify the situation. In my > > opinion you've clouded the issue even moreso. I do not see your reasoning > > for backing House Bill 1423. In fact, you say you are clarifying due to > > positive developments" and then you never state one positive development > or > > any reasoning at all as to why HB 1423 is in anyone's best interest other > > than the multi-million dollar home owner who wants the unobstructed view. > > > > Charmaine Smith Ladd > > Marathon, FL > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:54:55 -0300 > > From: Philip & Marilyn <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Anchoring Laws Proposed in Florida > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > The other link works, Have not the foggiest Idea of how that happened. I > > hope this one will appears less intimidating. > > > > Some clarification of the Florida Anchoring Bill currently in committee > in > > the Florida Legislature. > > > > http://www.cruisersnet.net/western_florida/anchoring_rights/ > > > > Worth a read. > > Philip > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Liveaboard mailing list > > [email protected] > > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > > To subscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4008 (20090414) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > -- > N.Y. 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