I'll try to find the time :-) Cheers, Davide
On 20 Dec 2011, at 06:05, Daniel Ingalls wrote: > Hi Davide - > > Several of us have been chatting about how great your comments and > suggestions are. You deserve to know that your comments are much appreciated. > > Visualization does often need easy customization, so it should be a strength > for us. We need a few more examples. Also, it has been suggested that we > have a few videos showing how easy it is to hook things up to produce a > decent visualization. We have a few of these already working - we should > make screen casts. > > I love the idea of an artists' gallery and, for that matter, some other > galleries as well -- games, simulations, etc. with a few screencasts about > how they were done. > > Installation - we'll see what can be done to simplify this further still. > The other side, of course, would be to make it less necessary (or necessary > for fewer people) to install at all. Let's talk more about this. > > Yes, we need a benificent UX overlord -- and the seed page is a great idea. > A simple word-less rule-less way to bring some order into our confusion of > style, scale and other appearances. Would you care to proffer a seed page or > two, or a couple from elsewhere that you like? > > Thanks for taking the time to give us some good criticism! > > - Dan > -------------- > On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Davide Della Casa wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to add to your list of possible users and 'markets' and a couple >> more comments. >> >> (I've used "Lively" only briefly, so I might be missing out on pieces of >> conversation that make my suggestion here obvious or redundant) >> >> One potential market is data visualisation. Since most data comes from the >> web anyways, Lively is in a good position. Probably a variation of what you >> list as "mashups". A great example of "rich web environment" that makes it >> possible to interact with data is http://impure.com/ by Bestiario. The whole >> work of Bestiario is around similar data presentation themes, so well worth >> a look: http://bestiario.org/ >> >> Also I have a couple of other points, first one being that I think it would >> be a good idea to get computer artists to play with Lively, and expose their >> work in a "gallery" page. Similarly to what we have done in sketchpatch >> here: http://www.sketchpatch.net/Featured_Sketches.html . Artists's passion >> is to create interesting content no matter what - they'll be happy to >> participate. (I'd look for variety in this case, not for clever technical >> demos with bunnies, light sources and teapots. Something crazy like glitch >> art or the works of Rafael Rozandaal http://www.newrafael.com/ ). >> >> The second point is much more banal - a simple installation process would >> really help. I know it's in the works >> http://www.lively-kernel.org/trac/browser/releases/Lively2/install.txt?rev=5826 >> so it's OK (I did install Lively on my previous laptop and succeeded btw, >> but I don't have the time to re-attempt in new laptop). >> >> Last point - I think you could benefit from an evil UX overlord. >> Temporarily. Maybe a couple of UX sprints. I see that lively is transforming >> for the better and finding its own voice, but right now there are many >> places where basic navigation experience feels "punishing" to a first user. >> For example most times I get a message "Are you sure you want to leave this >> page?" even if I didn't touch anything. Many screens assume that one has a >> huge monitor: >> http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/documentation/overview.xhtml >> or the PartsBin as well. Or there seems to be a huge amount of margin in >> some of the pages >> http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/webwerkstatt.xhtml . There >> is no top-level navigation on most screens. >> >> I'm no UX expert, but you might want to create a "seed" page, a perfect UX >> "seed" page that sets the golden standard, and around which a crystal of >> pages can grow. Like, the >> http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/webwerkstatt.xhtml page >> with a navigation menu and no extra margin would be perfect (I'd change the >> title to the a less arcane "Lively Wiki", myself). >> >> Cheers, >> Davide Della Casa >> http://www.sketchpatch.net >> >> On 16 Dec 2011, at 23:27, Daniel Ingalls wrote: >> >>> Hi all - >>> >>> We have had a wonderful few months of growth and experimentation with the >>> new version of Lively. In many ways it has been a sort of "brainstorming" >>> period and the results are both delightful and somewhat chaotic. >>> >>> As with any brainstorming session, a useful follow-on activity is to >>> classify and critique those results in order to get rid of old things that >>> are not needed, recognize missing items that are needed, and to assemble a >>> stable and less chaotic platform to serve as the basis of the next growth >>> period. >>> >>> This is the kind of thing that is easier to do in one room over a few >>> hours, but let's see what we can do with an exchange of email to get >>> started. >>> >>> Here are some thoughts... >>> >>> Go through the Parts Bin, grouping things that should be together, making >>> things consistent, adding comments, fixing bugs, and getting rid of what is >>> not needed. It may help to think not only of what kind of things we have, >>> but also what kind of users we have -- for instance, it might be good to >>> have a few 'basic-X' categories at the top for newbies. >>> >>> Put some uniformity in droppable properties: do we drop the part directly, >>> or do we put it in the world and then tear off droppable properties? >>> >>> Make at least 3 more parts bins available. Until we do this, I don't think >>> we are going to see any growth of interesting parts from people outside HPI. >>> >>> Identify a set of 'markets' that we can focus on to critique the set of >>> available capabilities and thus the choice of multiple parts bins and parts >>> bin categories... >>> Building 'slide' presentations >>> Doing web mashups >>> Maintaining our system >>> Simple activities for newbies >>> Physics simulations, constraints, etc >>> Sound and music >>> Games >>> Collaboration >>> Integration with social media such as Facebook, Twitter and the like >>> Phone, pad, and touch support >>> ... >>> >>> Identify a set of basic capabilities that are stable (don't change over a >>> few months) and reliable (run well in most browsers). It is essential to >>> do this if we want to capture first-time visitors. >>> >>> We don't need to *do* all this, but if we have a vision of where we want to >>> go, then our daily activities will naturally lead to better alignment. >>> >>> So, Lively People... What are the three things you would most like to see >>> added, removed, or made better? >>> >>> - D >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lively-kernel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >> > _______________________________________________ lively-kernel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel
