Hello Leo, all
It is a lot of work, but if you think that you can do it, who am I to
say that I also must do that job. I was already started with Calc and
have some notes that I will work out and send you personally.
If I can help further on then you can reach me personally.
A lot of succes and best regards,
Henk van der Burg
Leo Moons schreef:
Hello everybody,
As Simon rightly points out, we should try and maintain the same
accelerator keys as in OOo 1.1.4 as much as possible, but on the other
hand we must make sure there is consistency between the various
modules of OOo, for example between Writer and Calc, but of course
also the others. Therefore I suggest that we do not split the work
between different people and if Henk agrees, I am willing to do this.
If Simon has some general rules in mind, please let us know.
Best regards
Leo M
Simon Brouwer schreef:
Hi Petr, all,
Petr Dudacek wrote:
Hi Simon, Bert, All,
this is a proposal how to fix keyboard shortcuts.
There are some top-level menu items that have their shortcuts assigned
incorrectly - File (Bestand) and Edit (Bewerken) share 'b', Save and
Close under File menu share 's' etc. This definitely needs to be fixed
to improve usability of the applications. But as you can see in the
mail
below, we have very little experience with Dutch software and therefore
we need your help with assigning the correct shortcuts. The idea is
that
you would prepare a document with the shortcut assignments based on
your
everyday experience - you know much better than us how the shortcuts
should be assigned - and send it to me. I'll file issues for that and
Ian will fix them in the database. This way, we'll have not only fixed
the current shortcut issues but we'll also have a useful document for
future releases.
This is a proposal, so any comments or additions are welcome...
Sounds good to me!
Thanks,
Petr
PS: For Save (Opslaan) and Close (Sluiten) that share 's', do you think
it's ok to reassign Opslaan to use 'p'?
Actually, it's ~Openen, (Open) and ~Opslaan (Save) that share 'O'. Also
there is Alles ~opslaan (Save All), but for some reason I cannot access
this item using ALT+O (any idea why?)
In OOo 1.1 we have ~Openen, O~pslaan, and Opslaan ~als. Keeping the
accelerators the same as in 1.1 would make it easier for existing users
to switch to OOo 2.0, that should be an important consideration. Also
you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
Shall I start to make an overview for the Writer top level menu?
Simon Brouwer píše v Čt 13. 10. 2005 v 09:13 +0200:
Hi Petr,
Petr Dudacek wrote:
Hi Simon,
yes, you're completely right, top-level menu items are much more
important than the rest of the GUI and their mnemonics shouldn't be
doubled (the Open/Save case is probably the best example). We will
fix
these, but as we don't have so much experience with using Dutch
software, your help would be much appreciated here. I'd like to
ask you
and/or the members of the Dutch community to
file issues for mnemonics that you want to change and assign them to
iano (please don't forget to include the keyids of the strings
into the
bug description)
OR
prepare a list of menu items where you want the mnemonics to be
changed
(with the new mnemonics included, of course), send them to me and
I'll
take care of filing issues for them.
Is this ok for you?
Sure!
In fact I think there are already two volunteers who have offered to
look into this specifically.
The waiting is now for the new review build...
Thanks,
Petr
Simon Brouwer píše v St 12. 10. 2005 v 21:40 +0200:
Hi Petr, all,
At 13:49 12-10-2005, Petr Dudacek wrote:
Hi Bert,
my comments below...
-- snip --
I'm not a programmer, so I'm not sure how all this works, but
does this only involve placing or removing a "~" in the
strings?
If so, I don't see why we can't remove all the doubles now.
There's a script that assigns the mnemonics automatically. The
'~' is
used just to override the script's results. So the most systematic
approach is to modify the script. For now I'd suggest not to
consider
double mnemonics as bugs because fixing of all of them would
take too
much time and resources (and because it is possible to use them
in the
GUI). Again, I agree that having double mnemonics is a problem and
should be fixed in further releases. I'll try to start a discussion
about this with the guys in Hamburg.
I think that at least in the top level menus the mnemonics should
be assigned with good judgement, for example the menu items that
are most often used should have their own mnemonic that is also
as easy to remember as possible.
I just had a look at the present Dutch OOo 2.0 RC2 build.
In the Writer ~Bestand (File) menu, both the items ~Openen (Open)
and ~Opslaan (Save) have the same mnemonic. Therefore, to save
the file you have to press ALT+B, ALT+O, ALT+O, ENTER which is
*four* key combinations instead of two otherwise. And I can't
even activate the menu item "Alles ~opslaan" using the keyboard.
By the way, the top menu items ~Bestand (File) and ~Bewerken
(Edit) share the same mnemonic, and between top menu items
pressing the mnemonic again does not appear to work, so I cannot
get to the Edit menu using the keyboard.
While it will be less of a problem that mnemonics are
automatically assigned in quieter areas of the UI, I think we do
have to evaluate them in the top level menus of each module, and
override them where necessary.
For those who use mnemonics, this will make the software
considerably more user friendly. By limiting ourselves to the top
level menus I think it will not significantly delay the release
schedule.
Vriendelijke groet,
Simon Brouwer.
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