On 6 Feb 2002 22:13:28 +1100, Peter Donald wrote: [snip]
> So Ceki asked me to go through the codebase and suggest things. SO I > did this - at least on on two different occasions, each time took a > few hours or so. I ended up generating a list of features that LogKit > had that we needed to be in Log4j before we could adopt it. > > Most of the features Ceki implemented but some he didn't want which > made it impossible for Avalon to adopt it. Seing that he wouldn't > budge I suggested to him 3 different ways in which LogKit and Log4j > could share code. He didn't even bother to respond to these > mails. Though he does claim that he never received one of them and > that his mail server munched the mail. One of the parts I enjoy most about log4j is receiving comments and suggestions from users. Some of the most interesting features of log4j have their origins in the user community. Indeed, I am not as responsive as I would like to be but it's not like I am not making a genuine effort. > Anyways things went on. At one stage someone asked me what advantage > LogKit had over Log4j. I answered simplicity/ease of use, ease of > integration into servers and performance. Next thing I know Cekis pops > onto mailing list and calls me a liar and a thief. He seemed to be put > out that i said LogKit was more performance sensitive ;) Eventually I > believe he conceded that it was the case but then he went onto to > claim that performance is not important > "read my article on it". Ho hum. > > You may find it wierd that he called me a thief given that many of the > features adopted by Log4j were originally in LogKit and the time of > implementation roughly coresponded to when I told him to fix these > things. Even more amusing is that LogKit did another release. The day > after the release Log4j cloned a feature from LogKit that it lacked > ... luckily Ceki could find a mail in one of the archives where a user > had requested a similar feature so he could claim that he had > originally had that idea from the start > ;) Your capacity of interpreting events in your own way is mind boggling. I have never seen anything like it in my entire life, except in movies. > Anyways this pattern of things continued and we see him here again calling me > a thief. This pattern of abuse towards me got so bad in recent times I had to > ask Ceki to never email me personally. Never has he bothered to critique > LogKit on any terms it has always been his way to deride and insult the > people of it instead. I always strive to be respectful and try to listen to other's needs and ideas. I have never insulted anyone since I am involved with Apache. The only person I have a problem with is you. I am upset because LogKit copies log4j -- I consider this backstabbing from the inside [Jakarta]. I have been very patient with you and am truly amazed at the extent of your bad faith. Regarding accusations of abuse in our private email exchanges, I am literally speechless because nothing could be further from the truth. -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
