On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Scott Deboy wrote:

I don't have a misunderstanding of the issues involved, I'm just wondering how common it is for our users to:

1. Use root logger to configure logging verbosity
2. Not want log4j output in those logs

If so, they'd be -forced- to modify their log4j config file unless we provided some reasonable mechanism for enabling internal logging.

Scott


The problem (or at least surprise) is aggravated by log4j (particularly the JoranConfigurator) using INFO level messages for things that many users would have placed at DEBUG or TRACE. Deciding exactly level a message deserves is value judgement, but when developers have decided that INFO messages are fairly significant in their app, having their small number of INFO messages getting swamped with log4j INFO messages informing the user that a constructor was called is unpleasant. Moving messages that would only be of concern if you were debugging the behavior of log4j to a lower level may reduce the annoyance.

I wasn't advocating addressing the issue at the moment. At this time, I think it is best to finish off the structural compatibility issues before addressing the behavioral compatibility issues.

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