I will just upload what I currently have as a patch to the Jira issue and then
you can take a look. I don't think it is all that messy myself.
Ralph
On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> I do see the upside to how you do it, but at the same time annotating a
> method parameter with BOTH annotations is going to get messy. Hmmm...
>
> I'm not sure what I think. How important is being able to search for plugins
> with aliases?
>
> N
>
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
>> This isn't quite what I did but I can certainly change it if you think what
>> you have below is better. @Plugin and @PluginAttr are unchanged.
>> @PluginAliases allows you to specify one or more aliases as
>>
>> @PluginAliases("appender-ref")
>>
>> or
>>
>> @PluginAliases({"appender-ref", "AppenderReference"})
>>
>> You add the PluginAliases annotation to the plugin class declaration and/or
>> the plugin factory's parameter declaration.
>>
>> The advantage I see in this is that Plugins and attributes still only have
>> one primary name and it is pretty easy to find plugins with aliases just by
>> searching for uses of the annotation. With what you have below the first
>> item in the array would have to be presumed to be the primary name.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> - String name() in @Plugin (for element-mapped plugin classes) becomes
>>> String[] names(). Annotation can be used @Plugin(names = "element") for
>>> single-worders or @Plugin(names = { "elementName", "element-name" }) for
>>> multi-worders.
>>>
>>> - String value() in @PluginAttr (for attribute-mapped method parameters)
>>> becomes String[] value(). Keeping this singular is important for Java
>>> language reasons. Annotation can be used @PluginAttr("attribute") for
>>> single-worders or @Plugin({ "attributeName", "attribute-name" }) for
>>> multi-worders.
>>>
>>> - String value() in @PluginElement (for attribute-mapped method parameters)
>>> becomes String[] value(). Keeping this singular is important for Java
>>> language reasons. Ditto on usage as $PluginAttr.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am ok with an alias feature.
>>>>
>>>> Like this?
>>>>
>>>> @pluginElement(names="a, b, c")
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:19, Ralph Goers <rgo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I think Remko and I agree that consistency is good but that there are
>>>>> two cases where exceptions should be made. If I commit the change to
>>>>> alias those two things is anyone so strongly against it that they would
>>>>> veto it? If not then I would like to commit it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ApPeNdeRrEf may look visually as confusing as a-p-p-e-n-d-e-r-r-e-f
>>>>>> r-e-f,
>>>>>> but that is not the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the rule "config files are case-insensite" is much a more
>>>>>> intuitive rule than "all hyphens are stripped from attribute and element
>>>>>> names".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, the "-ref" extension in the <appender-ref> element is a nice,
>>>>>> visually distinct indicator that this element points to another element
>>>>>> in the configuration. To me, these pointer elements/attributes are
>>>>>> special elements and attributes and we actually *lose* something if we
>>>>>> bend over backwards to make them look consistent with other elements.
>>>>>> It's okay if they look different because they *are* different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we prefer not to have aliases then I propose we revert back the
>>>>>> appender-ref and error-ref elements to the hyphen version. I think they
>>>>>> are better names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dancing angels and pin heads:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, the patch I provided allows for <a-p-p-e-n-d-e-r-r-e-f
>>>>>> r-e-f="Console"/> but the point is that is allows <appender-ref
>>>>>> ref="Console>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But! the current code also allows <ApPeNdeRrEf ref="Console/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is that any better/worse, more/less confusing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, are attributes also case-insensitive? <ApPeNdeRrEf ReF="Console/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Ralph Goers
>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>> OK. In general I guess I agree with your philosophy. However, I
>>>>>> consider stripping/ignoring hyphens bad because then
>>>>>> <a-p-p-e-n-d-e-r-r-e-f r-e-f="Console"/> becomes valid. The ONLY reason
>>>>>> I wanted aliases is because I really believe users who are used to the
>>>>>> "other" logging frameworks are constantly going to screw up and do
>>>>>> <appender-ref ref="abc"/> instead of <AppenderRef ref="abc"/> simply
>>>>>> because they are used to it. However, if my choice is between stripping
>>>>>> or leaving it the way it is then I vote to leave it the way it is.
>>>>>> Again, I just detest the idea of stripping hyphens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright. Time to chime in I suppose, since I'm being quoted now. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like consistency. I like the same rules to apply to all parts of the
>>>>>>> configuration. For example:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - If we decide that an element should be PascalCase, then they should
>>>>>>> ALL be PascalCase.
>>>>>>> - If we decide that an attribute should be camelCase, then they should
>>>>>>> ALL be camelCase.
>>>>>>> - If we decide that an element and/or attribute should be
>>>>>>> case-insensitive, then ALL elements AND attributes should be
>>>>>>> case-insensitive.
>>>>>>> - If we decide that an element and/or attribute should allow hyphens
>>>>>>> between words, then ALL elements AND attributes should allow hyphens
>>>>>>> between words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This last one is a key point here. Providing aliases would not be a
>>>>>>> sane way to do this, because what if a developer added an attribute but
>>>>>>> forgot to create a hyphenated alias? Suddenly, all elements and
>>>>>>> attributes would allow hyphenation—except that one attribute. This is a
>>>>>>> consistency failure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not arguing against aliases, necessarily. I just think they're a
>>>>>>> Bad way to solve the hyphenation dispute (yes, capital Bad). With the
>>>>>>> hyphenation issue solved otherwise (either by disallowing hyphens or by
>>>>>>> stripping hyphens automatically), I no longer see a compelling need for
>>>>>>> aliases. The addition of aliases also makes the task for users of
>>>>>>> extending Log4j / writing plugins for Log4j more confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I had to chose what we were going to do here, these are my
>>>>>>> preferences/priorities, in order from most important to least important:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Consistency, consistency, consistency.
>>>>>>> - A strict schema that must be validated against for the Log4j
>>>>>>> configuration to work. No case insensitivity, no stripping of hyphens.
>>>>>>> - All lowercase, hyphenated elements AND attributes. No PascalCase, no
>>>>>>> camelCase.
>>>>>>> - camelCase elements AND camelCase attributes.
>>>>>>> - PascalCase elements AND PascalCase attributes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 10 Nick said "I actually really like hyphenated attributes, but
>>>>>>>> I like consistency better.". However, that doesn't imply that he is
>>>>>>>> going to like allowing '-' to appear anywhere and be stripped out.
>>>>>>>> Providing aliases would be a more sane way to do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Ralph Goers
>>>>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So far yours is the only vote for that. Anyone else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whomever else mentioned it in the first place! ;) I can't recall
>>>>>>>>> who... but it's 2am here...
>>>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think we should do both.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 21:59, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Easily done, assuming we have consensus. I am hearing two options:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) strip '-' characters from element names.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) allow aliases for element names.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These are not mutually exclusive. I see no reason not to go ahead
>>>>>>>>>>> with number 2 and we can continue to discuss where else number 1
>>>>>>>>>>> might be used.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Remko Popma wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget the error-ref attribute for AsyncAppender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remko
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not in favor of just allowing arbitrary '-' characters
>>>>>>>>>>>> wherever users want. But allowing aliases makes it possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>> allow for variations. I already have this working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Gary Gregory
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Scott Deboy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <scott.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if this ship has fully sailed, but I'd prefer to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick with he dash format due to folks being familiar with it from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> log4j 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a thin argument IMO considering you'll have to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version 2 config docs to get off the ground anyway, even if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know your way around version 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this is also an opportunity to make our config code even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancier by normalizing '-' chars ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/13, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Ralph Goers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm adding an aliases attribute to the Plugin annotation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hold on to your horses ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another way to look at this is that our config parsing that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case-insensitive could be augmented to strip out "-"s, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliases needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out here, some folks like-to-talk-like-this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see JPA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Remko Popma wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we just need another plugin for the 2nd name then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subclass or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had the same thought. People switching from log4j 1 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logback will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably make that mistake a lot. Plus this breaks virtually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently using Log4j 2. The problem is that I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently a way for a plugin to have 2 names.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Remko Popma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be an idea to support both appender-ref and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appenderRef
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attributes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Gary Gregory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <garydgreg...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never thought that Log4J 2 configuration files should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatible with version 1, and even less so with a different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ralph Goers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I see this it kind of scares me. Log4j 1.x and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Logback both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appender-ref. Anyone using Log4j 2 will now be broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2013, at 1:05 PM, ggreg...@apache.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logging/log4j/log4j2/trunk/core/src/test/resources/log4j2-config.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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