Oops. I just noticed you proposed that VERBOSE be between INFO and DEBUG. Now that I don’t understand. My experience is that VERBOSE is usually more detailed than debug messages, not less.
Ralph On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > I understand the need for CONFIG. However it isn’t clear to me whether it > belongs between INFO and WARN or DEBUG and INFO. That is because it > typically would be used to log configuration during startup. That doesn’t > necessarily imply that you would then want to see all INFO messages as well. > Due to that, it would make more sense to me to make a CONFIG marker. > > I don’t really understand the point of FINE or FINER. > > On the other hand, VERBOSE does make a bit more sense, but I’m struggling > with how that is any different than TRACE. I guess the idea is that TRACE is > for control flow (entry, exit) and VERBOSE is for more detailed debug > messages? I suppose I can go along with that argument, but again one could > just as easily create a VERBOSE marker and attach it to either TRACE or > DEBUG. I guess I wouldn’t object if VERBOSE was added as a Level but I’m not > really convinced it is necessary either. > > Ralph > > > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've always liked Ralph's argument that Markers give users much more >> flexibility than any predefined Levels. >> I would prefer to stick to the log4j/slf4j level names. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Interesting, I have been wanting a VERBOSE level better INFO and DEBUG. >> >> See >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-log4j-dev/201310.mbox/%3CCACZkXPxNwYbn__CbXUqFhC7e3Q=kee94j+udhe8+6jiubcz...@mail.gmail.com%3E >> >> You'll have to dig a little in that ref to find my proposal, sorry I'm on my >> phone ATM. >> >> It sounds like we see logging configuration messages differently though. I >> do not like the name CONFIG because it does not sound like a level to me. >> Otoh, many command lines have a verbose AND a debug switch. So it makes >> sense to me too have corresponding levels. >> >> Gary >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Nick Williams >> Date:01/17/2014 23:50 (GMT-05:00) >> To: Log4J Developers List >> Subject: Web Issues, Logging Levels, and GA >> >> Wanted to update y'all. As you know, I've been very absent lately due to the >> book consuming every minute of my free time. I know I haven't been >> contributing my due, and for that please accept my sincerest apologies. The >> book is finally done (goes on sale next month!) and I can get back to >> regular life. I'm going to be out of town for the next week on a much-needed >> vacation with very limited access to email. I'll be back the weekend of >> January 25-26, and that weekend I will be spending almost the entire time >> finally dealing with the 8-10 web application-related bugs. After that, I >> don't see any encumbrances to releasing 2.0.0.GA. >> >> Except... >> >> Logging Levels. We kinda-sorta talked about this a few months ago, and a few >> months before that, and a few months before that, but we never actually DID >> anything about it. It's clear by now that my "extendable enum" proposal >> (that would be a drop-in replacement for and binary compatible with the >> current Level enum) is not going to be accepted. Absent any other proposals, >> I suggest we add the following new levels before GA: >> >> CONFIG - Between INFO and WARN, mapped to INFO for bridges to other >> frameworks that don't have an equivalent level >> >> FINE - Between DEBUG and TRACE, mapped to TRACE for bridges to other >> frameworks that don't have an equivalent level >> >> I'll let y'all chat about that over the next week. ;-) >> >> Be back soon, >> >> Nick >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >> >> >
